rockefeller center Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 I've reached the point where one searches google for stuff like: 1974 Bennie Maupin $ 25 lp sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 the question is: can it be found out using google? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Paul Humphrey on drums? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Actually, a closer listening leads me to believe that the congas might be Mtume. Those rolls he does have much the same tonal quality out of the drums that I hear out of him w/Miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 the question is: can it be found out using google? I'm afraid it will be of little help when I say I use AllTheWeb to search the internet, and that help me find it, but with the name of some other band member ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Actually, a closer listening leads me to believe that the congas might be Mtume. Those rolls he does have much the same tonal quality out of the drums that I hear out of him w/Miles. Jim, I hate to say this, but your skills in recognizing conga players are far from your fantastic resources for identifying saxophonists ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 (edited) Bill Summers perc? Edit: No. It isn't him. Please don't respond. Thank you. Edited February 5, 2004 by rockefeller center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 But apart from this, I can hear the similarities pointing you to Mtume: the relative lightness of sound, that wooden tone, the fast runs - but this guy here hits much harder than Mtume, and his repertoire of licks is limited. He uses to many triplets in his solos, and his fills are always completely off groove, where Mtume often keeps some aspect of the groove during his fills or solos. This percussionist did quite a number of record dates for several years, published an introductory book on conga playing, but has not been in the spotlight for the last 15 to 20 years, AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Bill Summers perc? Edit: No. It isn't him. Please don't respond. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Bill Summers would have been my man of choice for that record, he would have handled everything with a lot more taste and restraint, with a mellower conga sound. I've been watching Bill's work for a long time now, he's one of my idols, I had the fortune to meet him personally on one of his tours with Herbie Hancock in Europe, but ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 the question is: can it be found out using google? John, you give up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 the question is: can it be found out using google? John, you give up? I selected AllTheWeb in my search window but cannot think of someone decent to add to the name of Maupin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Bill Summers would have been my man of choice for that record, he would have handled everything with a lot more taste and restraint, with a mellower conga sound. I've been watching Bill's work for a long time now, he's one of my idols, I had the fortune to meet him personally on one of his tours with Herbie Hancock in Europe, but ... ...I asked you not to respond re Summers (thank you for your comment though), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Don Alias? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 the question is: can it be found out using google? John, you give up? I selected AllTheWeb in my search window but cannot think of someone decent to add to the name of Maupin Now here we do approach the real problem ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 ...I asked you not to respond re Summers (thank you for your comment though), Please accept my apologies, but this ball was too nice to let it pass ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Don Alias? I quote myself: This percussionist did quite a number of record dates for several years, published an introductory book on conga playing, but has not been in the spotlight for the last 15 to 20 years, AFAIK. Does this apply to Don Alias? No. -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Apparently Maupin led ECM dateS in 1974. AMG has one ECM title listed. Is it an ECM release? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Can you imagine this bass and drums sound recorded for/by ECM? Sorry, no. There was a guessing game running on German TV running for decades, where 4 VIPs had to guess a guest's profession, or the name of another VIP (blindfolded ), the guests were allowed to respond only with "yes" or "no". Each "yes" gave the team another shot, each "no" was a five deutschmarks coin into the guest's piggy bank. Mine would be filled by now and the game over. Any more guesses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Maupin led only one date for ECM as a leader, The Jewel in the Lotus, which is a beauty but not the record in question. It had Summers on percussion. AFAIK Maupin did only once appear as a sideman on ECM, on Marion Brown's Afternoon of a Georgia Faun. Both have no guitar .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Can you imagine this bass and drums sound recorded for/by ECM? No. But who knows what Eicher was up to in '74. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Maupin led only one date for ECM as a leader, The Jewel in the Lotus, which is a beauty but not the record in question. It had Summers on percussion. AFAIK Maupin did only once appear as a sideman on ECM, on Marion Brown's Afternoon of a Georgia Faun. Both have no guitar .... ECM lists only the sideman date in their discography. That's what led me to think there could be another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 It's not a Maupin date, especially not JEWEL IN THE LOTUS, which is nothing like this. I did consider one of his two Mercury dates, but those are ruled out with the info now given. I'm wondering about the guitar player now, having given up on any & all percussionists that spring to mind, except for Montego Joe, and I seriously doubt it's him. Or Big Black. The guy sounds kinda fumble fingered on the single not runs, but he's got his rhythm chording thing together alright, kinda like he played in a bunch of organ bands that didn't play too much straight ahead material. Might even be an Africa or Carribean cat. The "west coast pianist" bassist/drummer thing is throwing me too. From 1974, the only names that readily spring to mind are Joe Sample (no), Les McCann (possibly, but Paul Humphrey's been ruled out), Jimmy Rowles (Buster Williams crossed my mind vis-a-vis the Maupin association, but I find no mention of an album that fits this description anywhere), and Horace Tapscott (unlikely, I'd think). I've got Down Beats in the closet going back to 1971 or so. If this album isn't reviewed in there, then I give up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Guys, I'm going to buy some beer. This looks like it may take all night. If you decide to solve this puzzle in the meantime, fine by me. I'll have more time for drinking then. I'LL BE BACK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 The "west coast pianist" bassist/drummer thing is throwing me too. From 1974, the only names that readily spring to mind are Joe Sample (no), Les McCann (possibly, but Paul Humphrey's been ruled out), Jimmy Rowles (Buster Williams crossed my mind vis-a-vis the Maupin association, but I find no mention of an album that fits this description anywhere), and Horace Tapscott (unlikely, I'd think). I've got Down Beats in the closet going back to 1971 or so. If this album isn't reviewed in there, then I give up! I never thought I could send you back to the closet! That West Coast pianist is not on your list, Jim, he recorded an album with this bassist and drummer together for Prestige in 1973, and all three as the rhythm section for that guitarist's first album on another label a few months later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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