Dexter Gordon - LTD

[bertrand]

For a research project I have undertaken, I am scooping up all the Left Bank Jazz Society CDs I can find.

I just got the Dexter Gordon LTD. Great music, but the reissue label is actually the ZYX arm of Fantasy, which I did not realize when I ordered it.

The reproduction of the cover art is poorly done - the song titles are all blurry, and the back cover almost looks like a xerox copy. Could this be a CD-R? I didn't think ZYX pressings were CDRs. Or is the US pressing just as sloppy?

Also, is this one of Bobby Timmons' last recordings?

Thanks,

Bertrand.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

For a research project I have undertaken, I am scooping up all the Left Bank Jazz Society CDs I can find.

I just got the Dexter Gordon LTD. Great music, but the reissue label is actually the ZYX arm of Fantasy, which I did not realize when I ordered it.

The reproduction of the cover art is poorly done - the song titles are all blurry, and the back cover almost looks like a xerox copy. Could this be a CD-R? I didn't think ZYX pressings were CDRs. Or is the US pressing just as sloppy?

OI have a US Fantasy copy and it looks fine. Sharp pics, everything clear.

Also 'XXL' by Dex comes from the same session.

Also, is this one of Bobby Timmons' last recordings?

Thanks,

Bertrand.

Nearly. He made one track in Norwalk in November 1971, with Sonny Red, Sam Jones & Mickey Roker, issued on an album called 'Jazz at the Lyman's'. Lord's discography says this has no label or catalogue number. I don't know who else was on the album.

MG

[Dan Gould]

Isn't that Timmons/Sonny Redd track from here:

http://www.allmusic.com/album/live-at-the-connecticut-jazz-party-mw0000600445

its much more than one track.

[J.A.W.]

When ZYX was Fantasy's European licensee they didn't release CD-Rs.

Edited September 28, 2012 by J.A.W.

[JSngry]

Also, is this one of Bobby Timmons' last recordings?

Thanks,

Bertrand.

Nearly. He made one track in Norwalk in November 1971, with Sonny Red, Sam Jones & Mickey Roker, issued on an album called 'Jazz at the Lyman's'. Lord's discography says this has no label or catalogue number. I don't know who else was on the album.

MG

I have an album with that exact personnel called Live At The Connecticut Jazz Party (Chiaroscuro CR 2030). Released in 1981. Might this be that?

If so, it's available on CD: http://www.amazon.com/Live-The-Connecticut-Jazz-Party/dp/B00005QSRN

[JSngry]

Ok, this is not that. This is this: http://www.popsike.com/Jazz-At-The-Lymans-private-pressing-Lp-Zoot-Sims-etc/250752661304.html

This is an original private pressing of the Lp "Jazz At The Lyman's". It includes 3 tracks of Ray Lyman's collection of tapes recorded at parties at his house. Cuts are "Cute" from 1970 with Hank Jones, Elvin Jones, Milt Hinton, Zoot Sims and Clark Terry, "Bags Groove" from 1971 with Bobby Timmons, Sam Jones, Micky Roker and Sonny Redd and "Lover Man" from 1967 with Coleman Hawkins, Barry Harris, Eddie Locke and Major Holly. The sound quality is excellent. The record is in near mint minus and the cover VG++ condition, clean, but with a 9cm taped split in the top seam.

I'd wager that they're all from the same source, though, that LP & this private pressing.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Ok, this is not that. This is this: http://www.popsike.com/Jazz-At-The-Lymans-private-pressing-Lp-Zoot-Sims-etc/250752661304.html

This is an original private pressing of the Lp "Jazz At The Lyman's". It includes 3 tracks of Ray Lyman's collection of tapes recorded at parties at his house. Cuts are "Cute" from 1970 with Hank Jones, Elvin Jones, Milt Hinton, Zoot Sims and Clark Terry, "Bags Groove" from 1971 with Bobby Timmons, Sam Jones, Micky Roker and Sonny Redd and "Lover Man" from 1967 with Coleman Hawkins, Barry Harris, Eddie Locke and Major Holly. The sound quality is excellent. The record is in near mint minus and the cover VG++ condition, clean, but with a 9cm taped split in the top seam.

I'd wager that they're all from the same source, though, that LP & this private pressing.

Yes, that's the one listed in the discography. But it gives Nov '71 as the dat, whereas the Chiaroscuro LP is from 1969, I think, though there's no date on the LP.

MG

[JSngry]

No, no recording date is given. Is 1969 a proven date or a speculative one?

[marcello]

I'm not sure if this answers any questions or not:

Dexter Gordon Quartet

Dexter Gordon (ts) Bobby Timmons (p) Victor Gaskin (b) Percy Brice (d)

"Left Bank Jazz Society", "Famous Ballroom", Baltimore, MD, May 4, 1969

Broadway Prestige PRCD 11018-2

Boston Bernie -

In A Sentimental Mood -

Blues Up And Down -

Rhythm-A-Ning Prestige PRCD 11023-2

Misty -

Love For Sale -

* Prestige PRCD 11018-2 Dexter Gordon - L.T.D.

* Prestige PRCD 11023-2 Dexter Gordon - XXL

Bobby Timmons Quartet

Sonny Red (as) Bobby Timmons (p) Sam Jones (b) Mickey Roker (d)

private party, Connecticut, CT, circa late 1960s

Here's That Rainy Day Chiaroscuro CR 2030

Prelude To A Kiss -

Theme -

Now's The Time -

Moanin' -

* Chiaroscuro CR 2030 Bobby Timmons Live At The Connecticut Jazz Party

[JSngry]

Just wondering how "definite" either 1971 and/or "circa late 1960s" are, as well as the odds that that exact band plays two different parties several years apart, given the "circumstances" of some of the players...

Not impossible, but...

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Just wondering how "definite" either 1971 and/or "circa late 1960s" are, as well as the odds that that exact band plays two different parties several years apart, given the "circumstances" of some of the players...

Not impossible, but...

Doubtless you're right, but...

MG

[bertrand]

jazzdiscography.com has a 'circa 1964' date for the Connecticut Jazz Party, FWIW.

Bertrand.

[JSngry]

Any chance that Mickey Roker would remember that/those gig/gigs?

[sonnymax]

The several ZYX-issued CDs I bought a few years ago all sounded like crap. They weren't CDrs, just crap.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

The several ZYX-issued CDs I bought a few years ago all sounded like crap. They weren't CDrs, just crap.

Funny, I've got loads and they don't sound any different to me from other Fantasy stuff. I have one or two that I've also got on other editions...

MG

[Daniel A]

The several ZYX-issued CDs I bought a few years ago all sounded like crap. They weren't CDrs, just crap.

Funny, I've got loads and they don't sound any different to me from other Fantasy stuff. I have one or two that I've also got on other editions...

I believe it were the ZYX 20 bit remasters of OJC material in digipaks that could sound very bad. The standard jewel case editions were the same as the US OJC:s, which are mostly quite decent.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

The several ZYX-issued CDs I bought a few years ago all sounded like crap. They weren't CDrs, just crap.

Funny, I've got loads and they don't sound any different to me from other Fantasy stuff. I have one or two that I've also got on other editions...

I believe it were the ZYX 20 bit remasters of OJC material in digipaks that could sound very bad. The standard jewel case editions were the same as the US OJC:s, which are mostly quite decent.

Oh, I only have a very few of those: 3 I think - Ammons' 'Boss tenor'; Carter's 'Jazz giant'; and Wes' 'Incredible jazz guitar'. They all sound fine to me. The Ammons doesn't sound too different from the Ace LP.

MG

[J.A.W.]

The several ZYX-issued CDs I bought a few years ago all sounded like crap. They weren't CDrs, just crap.

Funny, I've got loads and they don't sound any different to me from other Fantasy stuff. I have one or two that I've also got on other editions...

I believe it were the ZYX 20 bit remasters of OJC material in digipaks that could sound very bad. The standard jewel case editions were the same as the US OJC:s, which are mostly quite decent.

Yep, those 20-bit OJC remasters in digipaks from ZYX sounded atrocious, without exception. I bought most of the available ones in one go (which is never a good idea, to be honest) many years ago and was appalled when I listened to them. Avoid at all cost. Most of the regular non-20-bit ZYX OJCs in standard jewel cases were indeed OK.

Edited September 30, 2012 by J.A.W.