Basie On Verve

[JSngry]

If I've got my chronology straight, Basie went from Verve to Roulette and then back to Verve, right?

So, how long was he with the label this second time, what years, and what were the albums? Also, any clue as to why? Hadn't Granz sold the label by then?

Also, did he go straight from Verve to Dot, or was there a stop in-between?

As always, thanks in advance!

[king ubu]

No answers to your questions, but...

I WANT A BASIE VERVE BOX SET!!!

ubu

[mikeweil]

A look into Bruyninckx tells me (in chronological order of recording):

Sinatra/Basie Reprise 91008 10-62

On my way and shoutin' again Verve 8511 11-62

This time by Basie/ Hits of the 50's & 60's Reprise 96070 1-63

More hits of the 50's & 60's Verve 8563 4-63

Li'l ol' groovemaker Verve 8549 4-63

Ella and Basie Verve 8783 7-63

Basie Band Verve 8597 10-63

It might as well be spring Reprise 91012 6-64

w. Sammy Davis Jr. Verve 8605 9-64

Pop goes Basie Reprise 6153 12-64

Basie picks the winners Verve 8616 1-65

Basie's Best Verve 8687 10-65

w. Arthur Prysock Verve 8646 12-65

Basie meets Bond United Artists 3480 12-65

w. Sinatra Live at the Sands Reprise 91019/22 1-66

Basie's Beatles Bag Verve 8659 5-66

Basie swingin', voices singin' ABC 570 6-66

Basie's Way Command 905 8/9-66

Basie's Way Command 912 12-66

Basie's Best Verve 8687 2-67

Basie's in the bag Brunswick 54127 8-67

The happiest millionaire Coliseum 51003 10-67

Half a sixpence Dot 25834 11-67

Board of directors Dot 3838 11-67

Manufacturers of soul Brunswick 54134 1-68

Annual report Dot 3888 7-68

Straight ahead Dot 25902 9-68

Kay Starr & Count Basie Gold Star 1500006 12-68

Satznding Ovation Dot 25938 1-69

Evergreens Groove Merchant 2201 10-69

Basie on the Beatles Happy Tiger 1007 12-69

High Voltage MPS 15054 2-70

Afrique Flying Dutchman 10138 12-70

Live bootlegs not included.

Hope that helps. Don't ask me why he switched between labels so often, I justed typed it up ...

Edited March 11, 2004 by mikeweil

[JSngry]

The back and forth between Verve & Reprise is pretty interesting. Thanks, Mike!

[neveronfriday]

No answers to your questions, but...

I WANT A BASIE VERVE BOX SET!!!

ubu

Me too.

[LAL]

No answers to your questions, but...

I WANT A BASIE VERVE BOX SET!!!

ubu

I'll second that. Michael - are you reading this?

..of if Verve does it, please spare us those fancy packaging - just let us have the good music.

[Brad]

If it's straight Verve, looks like only about 9 albums. In other words, doable. Are Reprise and the other labels now part of Verve/Universal. If so, that's probably not doable, unless it's just the Complete Verve Sessions.

However, in looking at Mike's list it doesn't include King of Swing, which came out as an LPR a year or so ago, or April in Paris. Perhaps there are more Verves?

[JSngry]

Brad - the listing above only covers Basie's second run on Verve, the one after leaving Roulette. BTW - missing from that list are the two Basie/Beatles albums.

The first Basie/Verve association is usually considered the "classic" one. That would be the first priority for a Mosaic, I'd think, and I'm all in favor of it. There hasn't been one yet, has there?

[Brad]

Brad - the listing above only covers Basie's second run on Verve, the one after leaving Roulette. BTW - missing from that list are the two Basie/Beatles albums.

The first Basie/Verve association is usually considered the "classic" one. That would be the first priority for a Mosaic, I'd think, and I'm all in favor of it. There hasn't been one yet, has there?

Ahhh, duly noted and corrected.

[brownie]

The first Basie/Verve association is usually considered the "classic" one. That would be the first priority for a Mosaic, I'd think, and I'm all in favor of it. There hasn't been one yet, has there?

No box of this type so far. Chronogical Classics is starting to issue the Basie Verve (Clef) era. They will do this their way. Wish Mosaic (or Verve?) would do this right! With the unissued items, alternates and improved sound...

[mikeweil]

Ocium has started covering the Verve New Testament band, 2 Cds so far if I remember correctly. A Verve/Mosaic box of that band including the Joe Williams sides would be fine.

Seems I overlooked a page while typing, thus the Beatles Lp was missing. I edited my post above.

[king ubu]

Ocium has started covering the Verve New Testament band, 2 Cds so far if I remember correctly. A Verve/Mosaic box of that band including the Joe Williams sides would be fine.

Seems I overlooked a page while typing, thus the Beatles Lp was missing. I edited my post above.

Mike, I saw these Ocium discs in some store here. They look alright, compared to other european rip-off labels. Are they complete? Do they have all takes (I did not look that close, obviously...)?

A Mosaic of the first run at Verve would HAVE to include the Williams sides, they are among the best NT Basie, if you ask me!

And hey, Mosaic did the Reprise Duke, why shouldn't they give us the Reprise Basie?

That would make for three new Basie Mosaics:

- Complete Fifties Verve Basie

- Complete Reprise Basie

- Complete Sixties Verve Basie

as well as the obvious one:

- Complete Forties (and earliest fifties?) Columbia/Vocalion/Okeh Basie

(and add:

- Complete Columbia 20s-40s Ellington

for all those of us who like to dream...)

ubu

[LAL]

If these suggested half a dozen or so box sets come to pass, well and good, but I'm going to have to get a second and maybe third J.O.B to pay for them.

[EKE BBB]

Ocium has started covering the Verve New Testament band, 2 Cds so far if I remember correctly. A Verve/Mosaic box of that band including the Joe Williams sides would be fine

...

Mike, I saw these Ocium discs in some store here. They look alright, compared to other european rip-off labels. Are they complete? Do they have all takes (I did not look that close, obviously...)?

...

The Ocium volumes I have so far (Buck Clayton´s "Back to Buck" , Coleman Hawkins´s Hollywood sessions...) are very good: rare to find sessions in good sound, though sometimes from different eras. I don´t know if they include COMPLETE sessions (with alternates) in any of their releases, but I guess they don´t.

Basie´s NT in the 50s (Clef/Verve) on Ocium:

BASIE TALKS Count Basie big band

OCIUM #28 [1952]

Track listing

New Basie Blues

Sure Thing

Why Not?

Fancy Meeting You

Jive At Five

No Name

Redhead

Every Tub

Jack And Jill

Bread

There's A Small Hotel

Hob Nail Boogie

Basie Talks

Paradise Squat (Take 2)

Paradise Squat (Take 4)

U.F.O.

Like A Ship At Sea

Bunny

Tippin' On The Q.T.

Blee Blop Blues

Cash Box

Bootsie

Tom Whaley

BE MY GUEST Count Basie Sextet, Nonet and Big Band

OCIUM #37 [1952]

Track listing:

Blues For The Count & Oscar

Be My Guest

You're Not The Kind

Extended Blues

Let Me Dream

Sent For You Yesterday

Goin' To Chicago

I Want A Little Girl

Lady Be Good

Song Of The Islands

Basie Beat

She's Funny That Way

Count's Organ Blues

K.C. Organ Blues

Blue & Sentimental

Stan Shorthair

As Long As I Live

Royal Garden Blues

Mike (or anybody else): do you know if Ocium has planned to release more volumes? Well, for now they should stop on 1953 (or early 1954) due to copyright laws, shouldn´t they?

Edited March 9, 2004 by EKE BBB

[mikeweil]

As far as I can see the Ocium releases cover only the master takes, but of course there might be exceptions, and they bring together rare material from obscure labels that has not been on CD so far. I have the Paul Qunichette and Bennie Green CDs and I am satisfied with them, I will get some more.

I do not know about their plans, but their catalog is expanding fast. Their website has even more discographical details:

COUNT BASIE

Basie Talks

Ocium OCM CD 0028

Price: 8,99 ?

· TRACK LIST

1- NEW BASIE BLUES (3:25)

2- SURE THING (3:03)

3- WHY NOT? (3:31)

4- FANCY MEETING YOU (3:03)

5- JIVE AT FIVE (3:10)

6- NO NAME (3:08)

7- REDHEAD (2:51)

8- EVERY TUB (2:52)

9- JACK AND JILL (2:56)

10- BREAD (2:56)

11- THERE'S A SMALL HOTEL (3:34)

12- HOB NAIL BOOGIE (2:35)

13- BASIE TALKS (3:39)

14- PARADISE SQUAT (Take 2) (4:05)

15- PARADISE SQUAT (Take 4) (3:40)

16- U.F.O. (3:05)

17- LIKE A SHIP AT SEA (3:38)

18- BUNNY (3:09)

19- TIPPIN' ON THE Q.T. (3:02)

20- BLEE BLOP BLUES (3:02)

21- CASH BOX (3:25)

22- BOOTSIE (3:23)

23- TOM WHALEY (2:53)

Total time: (74:05)

PERSONNEL AND RECORDING DATES

COUNT BASIE & HIS ORCHESTRA

Paul Campbell, Wendell Culley, Joe Newman, Charlie Shavers (tp); Henry Coker,

Jimmy Wilkins, Benny Powell (tb); Marshall Royal (as, cl); Ernie Wilkins (as/ts); Paul

Quinichette, Floyd 'Candy' Johnson (ts); Charlie Fowlkes (bs); Count Basie (p);

Freddie Green (g); Jimmy Lewis (B); Gus Johnson (d). Nat Pierce, Neal Hefti, (arr.)

New York, January 19, 1952

1. NEW BASIE BLUES (Basie) Merc/Clef mx 665 (3:25)

2. SURE THING (Hefti) Merc/Clef mxx 666 (3:03)

3. WHY NOT? (Hefti) Merc/Clef mx 667 (3:31)

4. FANCY MEETING YOU (Hefti)(*) Merc/Clef mx 668 (3:03)

(*) (Also known as Fawncy Meeting You)

COUNT BASIE & HIS ORCHESTRA

Paul Campbell, Wendell Culley, Joe Newman, Charlie Shavers (tp); Henry Coker

(tb); Paul Quinichette (ts); Count Basie (p); Freddie Green (g); Jimmy Lewis (B); Gus

Johnson (d).

New York, January 25, 1952

5. JIVE AT FIVE (Basie-Edison) Merc/Clef mx 688 (3:10)

Add to the previous personnel: Benny Powell, Jimmy Wilkins (tb); Marshall Royal

(as, cl), Ernie Wilkins (as, ts); Floyd 'Candy' Johnson (ts); Charlie Fowlkes (bs).

Neal Hefti, Sy Oliver (arr.)

6. NO NAME (Oliver) Clef mx 689 (3:08)

7. REDHEAD (Oliver) Clef mx 690 (2:51)

8. EVERY TUB (Basie-Durham) Clef mx 691 (2:52)

COUNT BASIE & HIS ORCHESTRA

Paul Campbell, Wendell Culley, Joe Newman, Reunald Jones (tp); Henry Coker,

Benny Powell, Jimmy Wilkins (tb); Marshall Royal (cl, as); Ernie Wilkins (as,ts);

Eddie 'Lockjaw' Davis, Paul Quinichette (ts); Charlie Fowlkes (bs); Count Basie (p,

org); Freddie Green (g); Jimmy Lewis (B); Gus Johnson (d); Bixie Crawford (vcl on

17). Don Redman, Ernie Wilkins, Buster Harding, Buck Clayton, A.K. Salim, Andy

Gibson (arr.)

New York, July 22 & 23, 1952

9. JACK AND JILL (Redman-Basie) Clef mx 822 (2:56)

10. BREAD (Wilkins) Clef mx 823 (2:56)

11. THERE'S A SMALL HOTEL (Rodgers-Hart) Clef mx 824 (3:34)

12. HOB NAIL BOOGIE (Harding-Basie) Clef mx 825 (2:35)

13. BASIE TALKS (Wilkins) Clef mx 826 (3:39)

14. PARADISE SQUAT (Take 2) (Harding-Basie) Clef mx 827-2 (4:05)

15. PARADISE SQUAT (Take 4) (Harding-Basie) Clef mx 827-4 (3:40)

16. U.F.O. (Harding?) Clef mx 828 (?) (3:05)

17. LIKE A SHIP AT SEA (Welcher) Clef mx 828 (3:38)

18. BUNNY (Andy Gibson) Clef mx 829 (3:09)

19. TIPPIN' ON THE Q.T. (Clayton) Clef mx 830 (3:02)

20. BLEE BLOP BLUES (Salim-Basie) Clef mx 831 (3:02)

21. CASH BOX (Gibson-McRae) Clef mx 832 (3:25)

22. BOOTSIE (Wilkins) Clef mx 833 (3:23)

23. TOM WHALEY (Clayton) Clef mx 834 (2:53)

COUNT BASIE

Be My Guest

Ocium OCM CD 0037

Price: 8,99 ?

· TRACK LIST

1- BLUES FOR THE COUNT & OSCAR (3:07)

2- BE MY GUEST (3:04)

3- YOU'RE NOT THE KIND (3:20)

4- EXTENDED BLUES (5:59)

5- LET ME DREAM (2:41)

6- SENT FOR YOU YESTERDAY (3:15)

7- GOIN' TO CHICAGO (3:22)

8- I WANT A LITTLE GIRL (2:57)

9- LADY BE GOOD (2:26)

10- SONG OF THE ISLANDS (2:53)

11- BASIE BEAT (3:23)

12- SHE'S FUNNY THAT WAY (4:14)

13- COUNT'S ORGAN BLUES (3:12)

14- K.C. ORGAN BLUES (2:56)

15- BLUE & SENTIMENTAL (3:05)

16- STAN SHORTHAIR (2:57)

17- AS LONG AS I LIVE (3:12)

18- ROYAL GARDEN BLUES (3:02)

Total time: (59:06)

PERSONNEL AND RECORDING DATES

Count Basie and His Orchestra

Eddie 'Lockjaw' Davis, Paul Quinichette (ts); Oscar Peterson (p); Count Basie (org);

Freddie Green (g); Ray Brown (B); Gus Johnson (d).

New York, July 26, 1952

1. BLUES FOR THE COUNT & OSCAR Clef mx 835 (3:07)

(Peterson-Basie)

Wendell Culley, Paul Campbell, Reunald Jones, Joe Newman (tp); Henry Coker,

Benny Powell, Jimmy Wilkins (tb); Marshall Royal (cl,as); Ernie Wilkins (as,ts);

Eddie 'Lockjaw' Davis, Paul Quinichette (ts); Charlie Fowlkes (bs); Oscar Peterson

(p); Freedie Green (g); Ray Brown (B); Gus Johnson (d).

Same date:

2. BE MY GUEST (Wilkins) Clef mx 836 (3:04)

Count Basie (p) and Jimmy Lewis (B) replace Peterson and Ray Brown.

Same date:

3. YOU'RE NOT THE KIND (Hudson-Mills) Clef mx 837 (3:20)

Count Basie Quintet

Oscar Peterson (p); Count Basie (org); Freddie Green (g); Ray Brown (B); Gus

Johnson (d).

Same date:

4. EXTENDED BLUES (Basie) Clef mx 838 (5:59)

Count Basie and His Orchestra

Wendell Culley, Paul Campbell, Reunald Jones, Joe Newman (tp); Henry Coker,

Benny Powell, Jimmy Wilkins (tb); Marshall Royal (cl,as); Ernie Wilkins (as,ts);

Eddie 'Lockjaw' Davis, Paul Quinichette (ts); Charlie Fowlkes (bs); Count Basie (p);

Freddie Green (g); Gene Ramey (B); Gus Johnson; Al Hibbler (vcl).

New York, December 12, 1952

5. LET ME DREAM (Brown-Edwards) Clef mx 964 (2:41)

6. SENT FOR YOU YESTERDAY (Basie-Rushing-Durham) Clef mx 965 (3:15)

7. GOIN' TO CHICAGO (Basie-Rushing) Clef mx 966 (3:22)

Count Basie Nonet

Reunald Jones (tp); Henry Coker (tb); Marshall Royal (cl); Paul Quinichette (ts);

Charlie Fowlkes (bs); Count Basie (p); Freddie Green (g); Gene Ramey (B);

Buddy Rich (d).

Same date:

8. I WANT A LITTLE GIRL (Mencher-Moll) Mer/Clef mx 967 (2:57)

Count Basie Sextet

Joe Newman (tp); Paul Quinichette (ts); Count Basie (p); Freddie Green (g);

Gene Ramey (B); Buddy Rich (d).

Same date:

9. LADY BE GOOD (G.& I. Gershwin) Mer/Clef mx 968 (2:26)

Count Basie Quintet

Paul Quinichette (ts); Count Basie (org); Freddie Green (g); Gene Ramey (B);

Buddy Rich (d).

Same date:

10. SONG OF THE ISLANDS (King) Mer/Clef mx 969 (2:53)

Count Basie Sextet

Joe Newman (tp); Paul Quinichette (ts); Count Basie (p,org); Freddie Green (g);

Gene Ramey (B); Buddy Rich (d).

New York, December 13, 1952

11. BASIE BEAT (Basie) Clef mx 977 (3:23)

12. SHE IS FUNNY THAT WAY (Whiting-Moret) Clef mx 978 (4:14)

13. COUNT'S ORGAN BLUES (Basie) Clef mx 979 (3:12)

14. K.C. ORGAN BLUES (Basie) Clef mx 980 (2:56)

15. BLUE & SENTIMENTAL (Basie-Livingston) Clef mx 981 3:05)

16. STAN SHORTHAIR (Basie) Clef mx 982 (2:57)

17. AS LONG AS I LIVE (Arlen/Koehler) Clefmx 983 (3:12)

18. ROYAL GARDEN BLUES (Williams) Clef mx 984 (3:02)

Ocium Website

[EKE BBB]

Thanks for all that information, Mike!

[JSngry]

Seems I overlooked a page while typing, thus the Beatles Lp was missing. I edited my post above.

Not to pick a nit, but the list is still lacking the Happy Tiger label Beatles Lp.

[king ubu]

Thanks for all the details and the Ocium link! These look like pretty solid releases!

Only I really should cut down my CD expenses... and they sell them far too expansive here (some 25 Euros they want for them!).

ubu

[mikeweil]

Not to pick a nit, but the list is still lacking the Happy Tiger label Beatles Lp.

I believe you, Jim, but Bruyninckx seemingly does not have it - if you post or PM details (Title, Label and number, month and year of recording) I will edit in!

[mikeweil]

Thanks for all the details and the Ocium link! These look like pretty solid releases!

Only I really should cut down my CD expenses... and they sell them far too expansive here (some 25 Euros they want for them!).

If you buy directly from them with a credit card, they're cheap! EUR 8,99!!! Shipping costs are reasonable, and delivery is fast. When I place an order with them I'll let you know. Shops here sell them for double their price, which is better than in Switzerland, but still pretty high.

[JSngry]

Not to pick a nit, but the list is still lacking the Happy Tiger label Beatles Lp.

I believe you, Jim, but Bruyninckx seemingly does not have it - if you post or PM details (Title, Label and number, month and year of recording) I will edit in!

(not the original cover, btw - this is the Ocium(!) cd)

Original cover:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Aj8jweay14x87

1970 release according to http://www.bsnpubs.com/la/happytiger.html

[John L]

That looks like some Beatles that I could get on too.

[king ubu]

That looks like some Beatles that I could get on too.

So Organissimo could finally make us get into the Beatles... ain't this a cool place?

Uh, there's some Beatles I do like: those couple of arrangements on the Ellington Reprise are quite stunning (as is the "Blowing in the Wind" there - though I have no problem in liking Dylan, not at all).

ubu

[mikeweil]

Thanks, Jim, for that Beatles album, I edited my post accordingly. I have to admit I took it for a bootleg, with that label name! Bruyninckx has it, of course, it was recorded December 15, 1969.

I'm afraid I will like the Beatles originals a little more than the Basie treatments ...