Hardbopjazz Posted January 13, 2018 Report Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) How long was Hank in Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers? I know he was a member in 1958 and part of 1959. There are a few recordings with him, Newport Jazz Festival from 1959 and an appearance on the Tonight Show. There is also the Blue Note record date recorded at Birdland. He wasn't in the band that long. Wayne Shorter joined in 59, shortly after the Newport concert. What other recordings exists, post 56? Edited January 14, 2018 by Hardbopjazz Quote
Mark Stryker Posted January 13, 2018 Report Posted January 13, 2018 Good Messenger chronology here: http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Blakey/chron.htm Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted January 13, 2018 Report Posted January 13, 2018 So, you don't count the recordings from '54 - '56? Quote
Hardbopjazz Posted January 13, 2018 Author Report Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said: So, you don't count the recordings from '54 - '56? That band was co-lead with Horace Silver. I was concentrating on when Blakey was the leader. Quote
Gheorghe Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 I´ve thought that at least when they made to the records "At Bohemia" in late 1955, though Horace Silver was still in the band, Blakey had become the leader. Because only on the late54/early55 record "Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers" Silver got top billing. And it´s significant that on the two "Bohemia" albums there is no Horace Silver composition. After Mobley had left Blakey, they still recorded very much together. After 1956 there´s that whole bunch of BN albums Mobley did, and at least on some of them is Blakey on drums, and after 1959 he still did at least two albums with Blakey "Roll Call" and "Soul Station". I never learned about the reasons why Mobley returned to the band and if he did, why didn´t he stay longer. 1957 was a good year for Mobley since he made so many records as a leader and a sideman, and in 1958 his recording evidence was less, there is 'Pecking Time" but somehow I don´t like that album so much. Wasn´t Hank arrested sometime for the usual things then ? Quote
Hardbopjazz Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Posted January 15, 2018 I recently got a private recording from Karlsruhe, Germany, December,1958. I am trying to determine if it is Hank. Sounds like him on tenor. Quote
Dan Gould Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Hardbopjazz said: I recently got a private recording from Karlsruhe, Germany, December,1958. I am trying to determine if it is Hank. Sounds like him on tenor. Well you know I can help with the judging. Quote
bertrand Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 You need several second opinions. Quote
Hardbopjazz Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Posted January 15, 2018 I can't find anything to support Hank went to Europe with Blakey in 1958. I don't think it is him. Quote
Dan Gould Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 Glad I was wearing my seatbelt for that U-eee. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted January 15, 2018 Report Posted January 15, 2018 could it be benny golson dog? he kind of is in the hank zone sometimes Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 16, 2018 Report Posted January 16, 2018 Blakey definitely took Golson with the Messengers in 1958. There is plenty of recorded evidence out there. I love that RCA date. From: https://www.jazzdisco.org/art-blakey/discography/ Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers Lee Morgan (trumpet) Benny Golson (tenor sax) Bobby Timmons (piano) Jymie Merritt (bass) Art Blakey (drums) "Kurhaus", Scheveningen, Netherlands, November 19, 1958 Moanin' Jazz Band (E) EBCD 2128-2; Bandstand (J) TKCB-30442 Along Came Betty - I Remember Clifford - Whisper Not - A Night In Tunisia - * Jazz Band (E) EBCD 2128-2 Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers - Live In The 50's * Bandstand (J) TKCB-30442 Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers - Live In Holland 1958 Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers same personnel "L'Olympia", Paris, France, November 22, 1958 Just By Myself Fontana (F) 680 202 ML I Remember Clifford - Are You Real - Blues Pour Doudou Mercury (F) 6444700 * Fontana (F) 680 202 ML Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers - 1958-Paris Olympia = Epic LA 16009, BA 17009 Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers - Paris Concert = Mercury (F) 6444700 Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers - Olympia Concert Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers same personnel Swiss radio broadcast, "Volkshaus", Zurich, Switzerland, December 4, 1958 Now's The Time SOLAR 4569881 The Theme - Moanin' - Whisper Not - Evidence - same session I Remember Clifford - Just By Myself - Along Came Betty - My Funny Valentine - Come Rain Or Come Shine - A Night In Tunisia - * SOLAR 4569881 Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers - Live In Zurich 1958 Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers same personnel "L'Olympia", Paris, France, December 17, 1958 Moanin' Fontana (F) 680 202 ML Justice - Blues March Fontana (Du) 460 642 TE; Mercury (F) 6444700 Whisper Not - * Fontana (F) 680 202 ML Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers - 1958-Paris Olympia = Epic LA 16009, BA 17009 Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers - Paris Concert = Mercury (F) 6444700 Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers - Olympia Concert * Fontana (Du) 460 642 TE, (E) TFE 17257 Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers - Blues March/Whisper Not Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers Lee Morgan (trumpet -1/4,6/10,12,14/19) Benny Golson (tenor sax -1/4,6/8,10/12,14/19) Bobby Timmons (piano -1/4,6/19) Jymie Merritt (bass -1/4,6/12,14/19) Art Blakey (drums -1/12,14/19) Paris, France, December 18 & 19, 1958 1. Generique Fontana (F) 660 224 MR 2. Pierre Et Beatrice - 3. Nasol - 4. Tom - 5. Poursuite Dans La Ruelle - 6. Ne Chuchote Pas (Whisper Not) - 7. Mambo Dans La Voiture - 8. Juste Pour Eux Seuls (Just By Myself) - 9. Blues Pour Doudou - 10. Blues Pour Marcel - 11. Blues Pour Vara - 12. Merlin - 13. Pasquier - 14. Quaglio - 15. La Divorcee De Leo Fall - 16. Suspence - 17. Tom Et Nasol - 18. Des Femmes Disparaissent - 19. Final Pour Pierre Et Beatrice - * Fontana (F) 660 224 MR Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers - Des Femmes Disparaissent (Soundtrack) Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers Lee Morgan (trumpet) Benny Golson (tenor sax) Bobby Timmons (piano) Jymie Merritt (bass) Art Blakey (drums) "Club St. Germain", Paris, France, December 21, 1958 Politely RCA (F) 430.043 Whisper Not - Now's The Time - The First Theme - same session Moanin' With Hazel RCA (F) 430.044 We Named It Justice - Blues March For Europe No. 1 - Like Someone In Love - Lee Morgan (trumpet) Benny Golson (tenor sax) Bobby Timmons (piano) Jymie Merritt (bass) Art Blakey (drums) Kenny Clarke (drums -3,4) Gana M'Bow (congas -3,4) 1. Along Came Manon RCA (F) 430.045 2. Out Of The Past - 3. A Night In Tunisia - 4. Ending With The Theme - * RCA (F) 430.043 Art Blakey Et Les Jazz-Messengers Au Club St. Germain, Vol. 1 * RCA (F) 430.044 Art Blakey Et Les Jazz-Messengers Au Club St. Germain, Vol. 2 * RCA (F) 430.045 Art Blakey Et Les Jazz-Messengers Au Club St. Germain, Vol. 3 Quote
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