JSngry Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Just curious how well-documented this band is in terms of live tapes that circulate amongst collectors? I remember one bootleg LP in the 70s, but tht's it to my knowledge. Seems like there's GOT to be more stuff out there. This was another band about which a lot of people say that the records only tell a fraction of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdd Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 I have a bootleg CD called Toys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 What I'd really kill for are tapes of Herbie's "Prisoner" band (with Joe Henderson), as described in the liners to the RVG of "The Prisoner". THAT'S that Herbie band I'd really like to hear. Any tapes of THAT floating around?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILLYQ Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 (edited) Jim, There is a 2disc set called 'VSOP' under HH's name that presented a career retrospective. It has one disc of the VSOP quintet, and the other disc is split between the funk band and the Mwandishi band(Bennie Maupin, Billy Hart, Julian Priester, Buster Williams, Eddie Henderson). It's not available domestically, but I was able to get it on Ebay, I think from one of the board members. That's the only official release of that band live. I was also at that concert. Edited March 18, 2004 by PHILLYQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Yeah, I got that VSOP thing back in the day. Caused a BIG sensation. I'm talking about bootlegs. How many of THOSE are floating around? Not even grey-market, just pure collectors things that have never been made available commercially. What's the deal w/this "Toys" CD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloe Omoe Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 What's the deal w/this "Toys" CD? It comes from a concert in Nice, France, on July 21, 1971. Tracks: 1. You Will Know When You Get There (20:30) 2. Toys (22:20) 3. Be What (18:05) The title of my copy is "Herbie Hancock Sextet - 1971", (Blu Jazz 022). It was one of a series of bootleg CDs that were given away with a jazz magazine here in Italy in the '90s. There were some crazy things among those CDs, mainly a George Russell 1964 sextet concert in Paris (with Thad Jones, Garnett Brown, Joe Farrell, Barre Phillips and Tootie Heath), and an Albert Ayler disc with unissued tracks from the Foundation Maeght concert of July 25, 1970. Best, Luca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 (edited) Jim You might want to check etree to find out some of the shows that are circulating. I found at least one or two Mwandashi shows under Hancock's name and I did not check all of the shows listed. Here is a link to the shows under Hancock's name Herbie Hancock. Clcik on the year(s) that you are interested in and the shows traded on etree will appear. The way etree works there could also be shows under different names or under the group name. Edited March 18, 2004 by relyles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 ... a George Russell 1964 sextet concert in Paris (with Thad Jones, Garnett Brown, Joe Farrell, Barre Phillips and Tootie Heath)... now how's that about "killing to hear this"? Florence is not so far away, so be aware ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloe Omoe Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 now how's that about "killing to hear this"? Funny thing is, the Parisian audience would have liked to try and kill Mr Russell. There's almost a riot at the end of every piece (four long tracks), and Russell is clearly embarrassed by the strong hostility his music gets that evening. "The last piece you didn't like," he says at one point, "but you'll like the next one even less"... Luca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 "The last piece you didn't like," he says at one point, "but you'll like the next one even less"... thanks for sharing, Luca! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Guy Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Dr.Eddie Henderson has spoke about his collection of live tapes of this band... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdd Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 (edited) Yup, mine is from Nice. Now about that George Russell thing, sounds very interesting, I'm curious to hear the music and I can add it to my hostile French audience collection along with the Miles bootleg with them booing Coltrane Edited March 19, 2004 by kdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloe Omoe Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Now about that George Russell thing, sounds very interesting, I'm curious to hear the music OK. Anyone interested can drop me a line. Luca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 as for recordings in circulation - the ones's I've come across in the meantime: 1969-07-24 - Juan-les-Pins / Antibes (FR), La Pinède (line-up unknown, poss. w/Johnny Coles) 1971-07-21 - Nice (FR) 1971-08-04 - Hamburg (DE), Jazzhouse 1971 (poss. 1971-07) - Aarhus (DK) 1973-03-22 - Boston, MA (USA), Jazz Workshop 1972-03-18 - Baden (CH), Kantonsschule 1972-10-08 (prob.) - Detroit, MI (USA), Baker's Keyboard Lounge 1973-02-20 - Detroit, MI (USA), Strata Concert Gallery 1973-11-13 - Boston, MA (USA), Berklee School of Music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Weiss Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 The French website ina.fr has beaucoup video of this band!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 as for recordings in circulation - the ones's I've come across in the meantime: 1969-07-24 - Juan-les-Pins / Antibes (FR), La Pinède (line-up unknown, poss. w/Johnny Coles) What does the band play on the Antibes recording, and how's the sound quality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzjet Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 as for recordings in circulation - the ones's I've come across in the meantime: 1969-07-24 - Juan-les-Pins / Antibes (FR), La Pinède (line-up unknown, poss. w/Johnny Coles) 1971-07-21 - Nice (FR) 1971-08-04 - Hamburg (DE), Jazzhouse 1971 (poss. 1971-07) - Aarhus (DK) 1973-03-22 - Boston, MA (USA), Jazz Workshop 1972-03-18 - Baden (CH), Kantonsschule 1972-10-08 (prob.) - Detroit, MI (USA), Baker's Keyboard Lounge 1973-02-20 - Detroit, MI (USA), Strata Concert Gallery 1973-11-13 - Boston, MA (USA), Berklee School of Music There's another one from the Tivoli, Copenhagen in 1971. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 as for recordings in circulation - the ones's I've come across in the meantime: 1969-07-24 - Juan-les-Pins / Antibes (FR), La Pinède (line-up unknown, poss. w/Johnny Coles) What does the band play on the Antibes recording, and how's the sound quality? Sorry for the late reply - I think the titles remain unidentified, it's just a short one, two tracks. Here's the etree db entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Not a live recording, but the recent JazzTimes piece on the Mwandishi band alludes to a "lost" album (a soundtrack, iirc) by the group that's coming out as part of a Hancock Columbia box-set this autumn. This one, I take it. Haven't really been able to come across any other confirmation of such material appearing on the set, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I wonder if they mean http://www.discogs.com/Herbie-Hancock-The-Spook-Who-Sat-By-The-Door/release/635602 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgluck Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 A new book in progress by Bob Gluck traces the evolution of Herbie Hancock's music through 1973, focusing on the Mwandishi band. The title is: “You’ll Know When You Get There: Herbie Hancock and the Mwandishi Band” (University of Chicago Press, forthcoming). Gluck’s new blog discusses the most poignant issues that have arisen in the process of writing the book, which should be out in a year. The blog may be found at: http://bobgluck.wordpress.com. Herbie Hancock has always followed his own muse. During the Mwandishi period, 1970-1973, his muse included a group of like-minded, intensely creative fellow musicians. Mwandishi band represented the ripening of Hancock’s Sextet, his first touring ensemble as a bandleader. It became the experimental laboratory where he first integrally joined the core musical elements that would form the building blocks that has served his musical creativity throughout his career. His rhythmic sensibilities, lyricism, use of abstraction, imaginative approach to timbre, fascination with electronics, and risk taking first come together in a mature, integrated manner in this context. The results were three years of deeply personal and expressive music that transcended boundaries. Bob Gluck is author is musician, educator, and writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six string Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 The OP has probably found what he was looking for by now but I just came upon this so pardon.... I have a few of those live sets listed above and they are in good sound. I believe some are FM broadcasts. The oldest one is March 1973 with no specific day or venue and ot is two tracks, Hornets and You'll Know When You Get There. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 In the meantime HiHat released this on LP and CD: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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