Larry Kart Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 47 minutes ago, Peter Friedman said: I consider Hardman a very fine and serious player, at the same level as Hubbard and Morgan. All 3 have their really fine moments, and sometimes the level drops a bit for each of them. Blue Mitchell is another top player who may be perhaps just a hair below those 3? Walter Davis Jr. he swings far more that Tucker Sonny Red Kyner - more soulful than Jenkins Sal Nistico - Tubby Hayes plays a lot of notes very fast, but lacks the depth I hear in Nistico's tenor work. Milt Jackson. or Cal Tjader Pete Jolly. or Lou Levy Harold Mabern or. John Hicks Illinois Jacquet or. Arnett Cobb Milt Levy (though I enjoy Jolly) Hicks Jacquet (though I enjoy Cobb) 29 minutes ago, danasgoodstuff said: Move Your Hand v. GG Alive! (at the Cliché Lounge) is hard, both for their virtues and their faults, I'll take the recordings from the Club Mozambique in Detroit by either over either of those though, if that makes any sense. Better jazz and better funk. All lovely records that I enjoy. But things go to heck for me pretty soon after. Cuber libre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 "Cuber libre!" Yes, Ronnie does enliven everything I've ever heard him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Peter Friedman said: Junior Mance or. Ray Bryant Junior Mance 10 hours ago, Peter Friedman said: Ben Webster or. Budd Johnson Ben Webster 10 hours ago, Larry Kart said: Mickey Tucker or Walter Davis Jr. Walter Davis Jr 16 hours ago, Peter Friedman said: Jimmy Raney or Tal Farlow Jimmy Raney 9 hours ago, Larry Kart said: Sal Nistico or Tubby Hayes A tie - love both! 9 hours ago, Peter Friedman said: Milt Jackson. or Cal Tjader Pete Jolly. or Lou Levy Harold Mabern or. John Hicks Illinois Jacquet or. Arnett Cobb Milt Jackson Pete Jolly (and don't forget Russ Freeman) Harold Mabern Illinois Jacquet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Orchestra or Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 11 hours ago, BillF said: Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Orchestra or Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band? Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band. Hank Jones or Tommy Flanagan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 George Garzone or that other Boston-area veteran tenor saxophone harmonic systematizer whose name I can't recall ... help me out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, kh1958 said: Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band. Hank Jones or Tommy Flanagan? Thad Jones & Mel Lewis Jazz Orchestra Hank Jones - Tommy Flanagan - a tie for two of my all time favorite jazz pianists Richard Wyands or Duke Pearson (as pianists) Elmo Hope or Duke Jordan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted August 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, Larry Kart said: George Garzone or that other Boston-area veteran tenor saxophone harmonic systematizer whose name I can't recall ... help me out here. Larry - are you thinking of Jerry Bergonzi ? He's at the NEC. 26 minutes ago, Peter Friedman said: Elmo Hope or Duke Jordan Duke Jordan for me. I like the way he glides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 Garzone or Bergonzi? Garzone, again hands down, even with full props for each. Garzone has a whole other gear when he wants to, probably comes from internalizing not jsut coltran but Ayler equally. "with strings" or "with voices"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 Garzone for me too, but Bergonzi (thanks HutchFan) does deserve full props. Wyands. Hope and Duke Jordan -- can't choose; both great and they're so different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted August 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 hours ago, JSngry said: "with strings" or "with voices"? Voices... on records like these: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Bergonzi Walt Weiskopf or Ralph Bowen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) On 8/21/2021 at 0:55 PM, BillF said: Melissa Aldana or Nicole Glover? Had to do some research on this one. I'm familiar with Aldana but not Glover...so off to bandcamp for some listening. Not digging in on a position at the moment but right now I'd go with Glover. Hoping to hear more from each of them that's not so much in that warmed over neo hard bop vein, at least from the studio. If anyone's interested, this link takes you to some recordings done by Glover last month (songs 5 & 8 on tenor, song 10 on soprano and for me I enjoyed her tenor playing more): https://arthirahara.bandcamp.com/album/open-sky Aldana's latest: https://melissaaldana.bandcamp.com/ Chicago Sun Ra or NYC Sun Ra? Edited August 23, 2021 by Dub Modal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Chicago Sun Ra or NYC Sun Ra? New York for me. Atlantis, Heliocentric, Vol. 1 and Other Planes of There are three of my favourite records of all time. The Chicago stuff less so. My first experience of them was that they were just so normal (although I've come to see how unique they were since then - and certainly they were). Anyway: NYC Sun Ra or Philadelphia Sun Ra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Had to do some research on this one. I'm familiar with Aldana but not Glover...so off to bandcamp for some listening. Not digging in on a position at the moment but right now I'd go with Glover. Hoping to hear more from each of them that's not so much in that warmed over neo hard bop vein, at least from the studio. If anyone's interested, this link takes you to some recordings done by Glover last month (songs 5 & 8 on tenor, song 10 on soprano and for me I enjoyed her tenor playing more): https://arthirahara.bandcamp.com/album/open-sky Aldana's latest: https://melissaaldana.bandcamp.com/ I know them, not from their recordings, but from their live performances at Smalls and Emmet's Place, both plentifully covered on YouTube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) On 8/21/2021 at 6:13 PM, Peter Friedman said: Milt Jackson. or Cal Tjader Pete Jolly. or Lou Levy Harold Mabern or. John Hicks Illinois Jacquet or. Arnett Cobb Milt Jackson by far over Tjader, whose music I do enjoy. Hard to decide on Mabern or Hicks. Love them both. Looking over my collection and what I have of both, I'll go with Hicks by the slimmest of margins. Jacquet all day 2 minutes ago, BillF said: I know them, not from their recordings, but from their live performances at Smalls and Emmet's Place, both plentifully covered on YouTube. Glover's performances at Smalls (listening to one now) are what tilted my preference in her favor. Nubya Garcia or Muriel Grossman? Edited August 23, 2021 by Dub Modal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Nubya! for that London sound... Moses Boyd or Tom Skinner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, mjazzg said: Moses Boyd or Tom Skinner? Both new for me so after doing some listening, going with Boyd but barely. 1 hour ago, Rabshakeh said: Anyway: NYC Sun Ra or Philadelphia Sun Ra? NYC Ra but not by much. The more I listen to Ra, the more that NYC music appeals to me. 18 hours ago, Peter Friedman said: Elmo Hope or Duke Jordan Hope, and that's not really all that close for me. 1 hour ago, BillF said: I know them, not from their recordings, but from their live performances at Smalls and Emmet's Place, both plentifully covered on YouTube. No preference? Enrico Rava or Tomasz Stanko? Edited August 23, 2021 by Dub Modal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: NYC Ra but not by much. The more I listen to Ra, the more that NYC music appeals to me. I was pretty much a NY Ra guy, but lately have been revisiting Chicago Ra and getting just all kinds of illuminations there, both backwards and forwards. But, you know, it's all good, even if the later you go into the Philly stuff, the more "comfy" I think it gets. Nothing wrong with that, and the lesson I take is that spirits are eternal, but bodies age, and the human mind has both components to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: No preference? Glover, though both firmly in the jazz tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Enrico Rava or Tomasz Stanko? Ouch! But Stanko, only just Jarrett's American or European Quartet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, JSngry said: I was pretty much a NY Ra guy, but lately have been revisiting Chicago Ra and getting just all kinds of illuminations there, both backwards and forwards. Chicago Ra sometimes gets billed as the easy point of access, but I think it is actually the most expert-level of all his periods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, JSngry said: I was pretty much a NY Ra guy, but lately have been revisiting Chicago Ra and getting just all kinds of illuminations there, both backwards and forwards. But, you know, it's all good, even if the later you go into the Philly stuff, the more "comfy" I think it gets. Nothing wrong with that, and the lesson I take is that spirits are eternal, but bodies age, and the human mind has both components to deal with. Indeed. And I love it all, but it's NYC by an edge for now. 13 minutes ago, BillF said: Glover, though both firmly in the jazz tradition. For sure. The live material from both is way beyond the studio stuff for me. 14 minutes ago, mjazzg said: Jarrett's American or European Quartet? One day maybe I'll be able to listen to Jarrett outside of Miles' band. Now is not that time however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: For sure. The live material from both is way beyond the studio stuff for me. Me too. Live seems to be the way to hear today's NYC younger generation (e.g. Bruce Harris, Emmet Cohen Trio). I'm not hearing much in their admittedly sparse recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Clifford Jordan or George Coleman Al Haig or Red Garland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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