GA Russell Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Eric Carmen has died at 74. RIP. Eric Carmen, 'All By Myself' singer and frontman of the Raspberries, dies at 74 (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 R.I.P .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 All by myself. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 RIP Eric. I read a few years ago that he had contracted "long covid" and that he wasn't doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 R.I.P. Among classical music fans, All by Myself is famous for repurposing a Rachmaninoff melody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 33 minutes ago, T.D. said: R.I.P. Among classical music fans, All by Myself is famous for repurposing a Rachmaninoff melody. And his other hit ripped off another Rachmaninoff piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 In 1975, when Carmen's debut LP was recorded, Rachmaninoff's works were in the public domain, so "ripped off" is the wrong word. In fact, his use of those melodies is exactly how public domain is supposed to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, Kevin Bresnahan said: In 1975, when Carmen's debut LP was recorded, Rachmaninoff's works were in the public domain, so "ripped off" is the wrong word. In fact, his use of those melodies is exactly how public domain is supposed to work. Ripping off, or "repurposing," the same composer twice for your two biggest hits causes me to raise an eyebrow in a Spock-like fashion. YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 1960 Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Could have done without the sappy solo stuff. Loved when he fronted The Raspberries. R.I.P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Just now, Tom 1960 said: Could have done without the sappy solo stuff. Loved when he fronted The Raspberries. R.I.P. I played the 45 of "Go All the Way" non-stop when it was a hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Kevin Bresnahan said: In 1975, when Carmen's debut LP was recorded, Rachmaninoff's works were in the public domain, so "ripped off" is the wrong word. In fact, his use of those melodies is exactly how public domain is supposed to work. According to Wikipedia, the works were not PD outside the USA and he paid royalties to the Rachmaninoff estate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_by_Myself According to Carmen, he first wrote the solo part of the song, writing four bars at a time, eventually completed the interlude after two months.[7] He needed to put this into a song, and after listening to Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto, a piece famously used to underscore the 1945 British film Brief Encounter, he adapted the melody of its second movement to write the verse.[7] Rachmaninoff's music was in the public domain in the United States at that time, so Carmen thought no copyright existed on it, but it was still protected outside the U.S. subsequent to the release of the album. He was later contacted by the Rachmaninoff estate and informed that it was protected.[8] An agreement was reached in which the estate would receive 12 percent of the royalties from "All by Myself" as well as from "Never Gonna Fall in Love Again", which was based on the third movement from Rachmaninoff's Symphony No. 2.[9][10] Edited March 12 by T.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 I'm sure that the number of songs clearly "borrowing" melodies from Classical music (in or out of public domain) is well into the hundreds. Maybe the number has broken 1,000 by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Of course it's common. But it always seems funny when the "borrowers" make loads of dosh. Andrew Lloyd Webber (most notably Puccini) comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 30 minutes ago, Milestones said: I'm sure that the number of songs clearly "borrowing" melodies from Classical music (in or out of public domain) is well into the hundreds. Maybe the number has broken 1,000 by now. I'm sure you recognize this lovely melody "A Stranger in Paradise." But did you know that the original theme is from the Polovtsian Dance #2 by Borodin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 29 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: I'm sure you recognize this lovely melody "A Stranger in Paradise." But did you know that the original theme is from the Polovtsian Dance #2 by Borodin? I was thinking about this commercial when I saw this thread, even before opening it! That gives away my age bracket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, Ken Dryden said: I was thinking about this commercial when I saw this thread, even before opening it! That gives away my age bracket! Now if only I could find the 70s Louis Prima ad for the Greatest Italian Hits collection! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 55 minutes ago, Ken Dryden said: I was thinking about this commercial when I saw this thread, even before opening it! That gives away my age bracket! Also, I cannot even begin to tell you how many times I've seen this collection over the years at thrift stores, flea markets, and yard sales. It was obviously a big seller! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 6 hours ago, T.D. said: According to Wikipedia, the works were not PD outside the USA and he paid royalties to the Rachmaninoff estate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_by_Myself According to Carmen, he first wrote the solo part of the song, writing four bars at a time, eventually completed the interlude after two months.[7] He needed to put this into a song, and after listening to Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto, a piece famously used to underscore the 1945 British film Brief Encounter, he adapted the melody of its second movement to write the verse.[7] Rachmaninoff's music was in the public domain in the United States at that time, so Carmen thought no copyright existed on it, but it was still protected outside the U.S. subsequent to the release of the album. He was later contacted by the Rachmaninoff estate and informed that it was protected.[8] An agreement was reached in which the estate would receive 12 percent of the royalties from "All by Myself" as well as from "Never Gonna Fall in Love Again", which was based on the third movement from Rachmaninoff's Symphony No. 2.[9][10] I find it rather bizarre that due to Mickey Mouse, the US has flipped a 180 on public domain from the rest of the world. In 1975, they were the Andorra of the copyright world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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