clifford_thornton Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 yeah, Intents & Purposes not being included was a surprise. Quote
dnsrrlls Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 I didn't get the book, but was interested in seeing the list. It's not as bad as feared in terms of sheer flexing, if only because so many of the really chased-after inclusions have been properly reissued over the years. Still, I agree with Colin that there are some head-scratchers that seem to lean towards collector fetishism over musical impact, such as the choice of Cecil Taylor Unit and Marion Brown records, not to mention rather silly inclusions like acetates and records that only existed as test pressings that contemporaneous fans wouldn't have even known existed. And some really puzzling exclusions of entire artists that others here pointed out, like Bill Dixon, Sam Rivers, and Wadada Leo Smith. Despite my skepticism, I'm certainly a record fetishist myself. I've got 40 on the list in their original forms, and 11 more as reissues. Now Colin's list--that's very interesting! A ton of stuff I'm not familiar with, though there are a lot of artists represented that I love and just haven't heard the particular album he picked. Surprisingly to me, I didn't do quite as well on his list--38 OGs and 3 reissues. Will definitely be digging in further! Quote
felser Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 2 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: yeah, Intents & Purposes not being included was a surprise. Agreed, also Gracham Moncur III, New Africa. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 from what I can tell, the goal was to avoid too much crossover with "spiritual jazz" and New Africa might qualify, though regardless, it is an absolutely extraordinary record (and gets fairly skronky in parts). Quote
felser Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 On 1/26/2026 at 4:29 PM, clifford_thornton said: from what I can tell, the goal was to avoid too much crossover with "spiritual jazz" and New Africa might qualify, though regardless, it is an absolutely extraordinary record (and gets fairly skronky in parts). Makes sense, thanks. If someone writes an equivalent high-quality "spiritual jazz" book, I'm all in even at a crazy price. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 There are those "Freedom, Rhythm & Sound" books but they are far more about the covers than any written content. oh, and there's this, too: https://www.dustygroove.com/item/691546/Ken-Tsukamoto-Yusuke-Ogawa:Independent-Black-Jazz-Of-America-paperback Quote
Rabshakeh Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 46 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said: There are those "Freedom, Rhythm & Sound" books but they are far more about the covers than any written content. Ha! Quote
optatio Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 From my shelf: Philippe Carles/Jean-Louis Comolli: Free Jazz – Black Power. Fischer Taschenbuch Verlag Frankfurt am Main 1974 [German translation] Original: Éditions Champ Libre, Paris 1971 English translation: https://www.amazon.de/Free-Black-Power-American-Music/dp/1628460393 Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 oh yeah, that one is fascinating and a "whole other kettle of fish." Quote
felser Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 12 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: There are those "Freedom, Rhythm & Sound" books but they are far more about the covers than any written content. oh, and there's this, too: https://www.dustygroove.com/item/691546/Ken-Tsukamoto-Yusuke-Ogawa:Independent-Black-Jazz-Of-America-paperback That would be a great book for me if I could read Japanese! Quote
T.D. Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 11 minutes ago, felser said: That would be a great book for me if I could read Japanese! Dusty carries such Japanese books occasionally. On one blurb I read a while back, they claimed that intrepid buyers could use their phones to translate the Japanese text. I don't see that claim in the above blurb, but it still might be possible. 😉 Quote
paulfromcamden Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 6 hours ago, felser said: That would be a great book for me if I could read Japanese! I've often had the same thought looking at the amazing range of Japanese language books on jazz on sale in Disk Union... Quote
felser Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 5 hours ago, paulfromcamden said: I've often had the same thought looking at the amazing range of Japanese language books on jazz on sale in Disk Union... Pre-internet, I bought a Japanese book on the Riverside discography from Tower Records. It was invaluable to see even the album covers and personnel for albums I never knew existed. But as Lou Reed sang "those were different times". 12 hours ago, T.D. said: Dusty carries such Japanese books occasionally. On one blurb I read a while back, they claimed that intrepid buyers could use their phones to translate the Japanese text. I don't see that claim in the above blurb, but it still might be possible. 😉 I'm too old, tired, and sated for all of that! Quote
cayetano Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Posted 5 hours ago (edited) On 1/26/2026 at 10:29 PM, clifford_thornton said: from what I can tell, the goal was to avoid too much crossover with "spiritual jazz" and New Africa might qualify, though regardless, it is an absolutely extraordinary record (and gets fairly skronky in parts). Full Moon Ensemble is way more "spiritual jazz". Edited 4 hours ago by cayetano Quote
clifford_thornton Posted 4 hours ago Report Posted 4 hours ago Yes, I agree with you there! Good record, but hardly "free" jazz in the sense that you or I might use the term. Quote
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