BFT 264: Discussion Thread

[Dan Gould]

I found it at Blue Note Records in Miami years ago, about $20 IIRC.

Doubt I would have recognized it though had I listened to the track.

[JSngry]

It got reissued somehow a few years ago on BGP or some label like that. Maybe a Japan thing. Dusty Groovee had it.

[Dub Modal]

I've got a download of that record and love it - still whiffed on the guess. 

[JSngry]

In like a lion, out like a lamb!

TRACK ONE - Non-silly alto, which is the only kind of alto I really like. Not as common as I would like. This one 100%  grooves!

TRACK TWO - Yeah, Pete Brown. Listening to this one, I heard a possible link between Pete Brown and Lockjaw? Maybe? No matter, Pete Brown is very worth knowing about!

TRACK THREE - Gene Shaw? Pretty distinct player, although it has been so long since i listened that I would not begin to be able to identify the record. But that's a good cut, for sure, and not just for the leader!

TRACK FOUR - Lady Q on one of the tenors? Pepper on bari? Sounds like a Thad tune/arrangement. Not familiar with this one at all, but I like it!

TRACK FIVE - No thanks. Too much talk, not enough action.

TRACK SIX - Wow. Who knew?!?!?! I like this a LOT! Easily sleuthed from the intro: https://folkways.si.edu/conjunto-alamo/buena-vista-swing/jazz-ragtime/music/track/smithsonian

TRACK SEVEN - Not to my taste, but that's certainly some skilled pickin'!

TRACK EIGHT - I like this one too. Phil Woods before he got silly. The tenor player has a really intense sound, I like it a lot. The whole thing is poppin', nonstop!

TRACK NINE - Odean Pope? Don't recognize the band, tho. Interesting, works for me!

TRACK TEN - Gesture aplenty.

TRACK ELEVEN - Time taken. Appreciated for that. Liking the piano more than anything. Saxophinist is a bit too generic for my liking.

TRACK TWELVE - No idea, but I like it a lot. Not Don Cherry, but kinda in the same vibe. I feel that I'm going to have a DOH! moment once this is revealed, I like it!

TRACK THIRTEEN - I thought this was some kind of Donny Hathaway basic demo cut. Then I got curious enough to cheat. Oh my!

Nice set, as usual. Enjoyed it!

 

[cayetano]

22 minutes ago, JSngry said:

 

TRACK THREE - Gene Shaw? Pretty distinct player, although it has been so long since i listened that I would not begin to be able to identify the record. But that's a good cut, for sure, and not just for the leader!

It's "Karachi" from Gene Shaw "Debut in blues". It's on my phone but I never would have imagine it. 👍

[Joe]

1 hour ago, JSngry said:

In like a lion, out like a lamb!

TRACK ONE - Non-silly alto, which is the only kind of alto I really like. Not as common as I would like. This one 100%  grooves!

TRACK TWO - Yeah, Pete Brown. Listening to this one, I heard a possible link between Pete Brown and Lockjaw? Maybe? No matter, Pete Brown is very worth knowing about! - Me too, which is why I threw this platter on here.

TRACK THREE - Gene Shaw? Pretty distinct player, although it has been so long since i listened that I would not begin to be able to identify the record. But that's a good cut, for sure, and not just for the leader! - Gene Shaw indeed! 

TRACK FOUR - Lady Q on one of the tenors? Pepper on bari? Sounds like a Thad tune/arrangement. Not familiar with this one at all, but I like it! - One of the tenors might surprise some folks. Not a household name, but played with at least one historically significant band.

TRACK FIVE - No thanks. Too much talk, not enough action. 

TRACK SIX - Wow. Who knew?!?!?! I like this a LOT! Easily sleuthed from the intro: https://folkways.si.edu/conjunto-alamo/buena-vista-swing/jazz-ragtime/music/track/smithsonian - Yes, this is a great disc.

TRACK SEVEN - Not to my taste, but that's certainly some skilled pickin'! - Aw shucks!

TRACK EIGHT - I like this one too. Phil Woods before he got silly. The tenor player has a really intense sound, I like it a lot. The whole thing is poppin', nonstop! - Again, the tenor may make some listeners say "oh, him?!?". 

TRACK NINE - Odean Pope? Don't recognize the band, tho. Interesting, works for me! - Not Pope, but Philly connections here.

TRACK TEN - Gesture aplenty. 

TRACK ELEVEN - Time taken. Appreciated for that. Liking the piano more than anything. Saxophinist is a bit too generic for my liking. - Agree that the pianist makes the best impression. Jarrett-esque, for sure, but not as breathless. The saxophonist is also the composer.

TRACK TWELVE - No idea, but I like it a lot. Not Don Cherry, but kinda in the same vibe. I feel that I'm going to have a DOH! moment once this is revealed, I like it! - This is one of those records that gets brought up every now and again whenever the discussion turns to "great LPs that never made it to CD." It was hard to pick just one track from this one.

TRACK THIRTEEN - I thought this was some kind of Donny Hathaway basic demo cut. Then I got curious enough to cheat. Oh my!

Nice set, as usual. Enjoyed it! THANK YOU!

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Joe

[cayetano]

4. I got it, "The Oom is blues" from Quincy Jones "Go West, Man!". Bill Perkins, Buddy Collette, Walter Benton, Pepper Adams, Carl Perkins, Leroy Vinnegar, Shelly Manne.

[Dub Modal]

The rhythm on the Gene Shaw track is everything in that song. Looks to be written by his pianist James Taylor, whose Discogs page is as slim as they come. 

Listening through again and the details on 4 are falling into place. Incredible playing and timing by everyone. So was Quincy arranging these tracks? He's credited as the conductor/supervisor and I'm not sure if arranging is included as an aspect there or not. Was he basically an executive producer as well? 

 

[Dub Modal]

Elvin Jones on 9? I swear it's the sax player yelling on this track but I can't think of any who do that?

[Dub Modal]

I'm hearing tuba on 12, and I'm digging it the more I listen. Definitely notice the needle drop. Kudos. Don't think it's Ray Draper. Can't connect Howard Johnson either...Sax starting to remind me of Shepp but not having any luck there at the moment. 

[JSngry]

#9 has to be Bill Barron, then. but the record is eluding me. It's not fromMotivation.

[cayetano]

3 hours ago, Dub Modal said:

So was Quincy arranging these tracks? He's credited as the conductor/supervisor and I'm not sure if arranging is included as an aspect there or not. Was he basically an executive producer as well? 

No, Charlie Mariano is the composer and arranger on the selected track.

From the liner notes: "Quincy Jones, who produced this album, selected the personnel, picked the instrumentation and arrangers."

[Joe]

12 hours ago, cayetano said:

4. I got it, "The Oom is blues" from Quincy Jones "Go West, Man!". Bill Perkins, Buddy Collette, Walter Benton, Pepper Adams, Carl Perkins, Leroy Vinnegar, Shelly Manne.

Yep! Tune and arrangement by Charlie Mariano. Quincy is credited with conducting.

7 hours ago, JSngry said:

#9 has to be Bill Barron, then. but the record is eluding me. It's not fromMotivation.

Not Bill Barron. More obscure (I think). I'll add that this tenor player is not primarily know for their tenor playing.

[Dub Modal]

7 hours ago, cayetano said:

No, Charlie Mariano is the composer and arranger on the selected track.

From the liner notes: "Quincy Jones, who produced this album, selected the personnel, picked the instrumentation and arrangers."

Thanks. Makes sense he would be producer then. The discogs pages for this album weren't listing that credit for him that I saw.