randyhersom Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Nah, the likely Cedar Walton sides come from 1970-72. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyhersom Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Michael Gregory (Jackson) should be considered for #6. I don't think he usually uses drums though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyhersom Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Two Milestone Joe Hendersons in 1967, The Kicker and Tetragon. Tetragon is all quartet, either Kenny Barron or Don Friedman on keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 THAT'S who I was trying to think of for #2! Joe Henderson! That makes much more sense! Now to find out what track and which album! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyhersom Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 I'm amazed how similar Stan Getz Sweet Rain and Pete LaRoca's Basra are to the track, but neither one is it. Dang, it seems familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 THAT'S who I was trying to think of for #2! Joe Henderson! That makes much more sense! Now to find out what track and which album! Searched that way days ago and came empty-handed. Nada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 #9--I spent more time earlier this evening scouring my shelves for something. I've got tons of cdrs I from emusic I could have been talking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyJazz Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) THAT'S who I was trying to think of for #2! Joe Henderson! That makes much more sense! Now to find out what track and which album! Searched that way days ago and came empty-handed. Nada! Doesn't sound remotely like Joe Henderson. The track certainly is a stumper. The tenor sounds to me like someone who came later, late '70s or after perhaps and who generally might be found in more "out" settings, e.g., David Murray, Chico Freeman. But I don't think it's either player. Pianist has me stumped also. If this turns out to be in my collection, I'm really gonna be pissed! Edited May 4, 2004 by MartyJazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted May 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 #2 was originally released in 1973 (AMG wrongly lists it as a 1974 release). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) Hint Request: any chance that the saxomaphonost on #2 plays elsewhere on your BFT? ...and he doesn't quite go as "far" as Murray would when he does. Edited May 4, 2004 by Man with the Golden Arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted May 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hint Request: any chance that the saxomaphonost on #2 plays elsewhere on your BFT? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) #8: Well having never heard the New Winds Ensemble's works I'm starting to lean a bit more to Ned Rothenberg here than say Ehrlich or even Hemphill. And I think track #9 is a bit more modern than we believe (did you give date for that?) and that it could very well be one of the more recent snakey Ehrlich pieces for his larger works rather than the date of the pianist. Then again I have no Muhal to haul out and listen to. But man that drummer is doin'! Then we have this little break of the strings with a couple of ding-dings for the bell-man and the cut comes to a close... me thinks the Rock is tricky on the post engineering to toss off the Googlers. Then comes some circular pan flootin on #10 to bring me back to wondering about ... #8- I really wish they would have given that kid a shot of Robotussin before the show (i always do). The setting is so small that it could be one of those Knitting Factory Works discs and the fact that it ends so abruptly tells me that the Rock was cutting this one down to make room on his Dagwood BFT Sammich (timing may be more than 2:36 in the googling). I keep looking for circular breathers, as we have a couple on here, that play with obtuse cello. Hep me somebody! ..... edit: looking back I missed the tip that #9 is from '67... shoot, there goes my voice from barking up the wrong tree again. Edited May 4, 2004 by Man with the Golden Arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted May 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 And I think track #9 is a bit more modern than we believe (did you give date for that?) Yes, I gave the date for that one. Here it is again, more detailed, plus the coordinates: New York City, October 16, 1967 #8- I really wish they would have given that kid a shot of Robotussin before the show (i always do). The setting is so small that it could be one of those Knitting Factory Works discs and the fact that it ends so abruptly tells me that the Rock was cutting this one down to make room on his Dagwood BFT Sammich (timing may be more than 2:36 in the googling). I edited out the applause (actually, I had planned to mention this but forgot) but didn't touch the music. The notes in the booklet list this track 2'54. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyJazz Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 #2 was originally released in 1973 (AMG wrongly lists it as a 1974 release). Yikes, a '73 release date which could mean an earlier (in years) recording date. I'm really at a loss. Who was playing in that vein in the early '70s? Carter Jefferson, Bennie Maupin, Billy Harper? I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted May 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 #2 was originally released in 1973 (AMG wrongly lists it as a 1974 release). Yikes, a '73 release date which could mean an earlier (in years) recording date. I'm really at a loss. Who was playing in that vein in the early '70s? Carter Jefferson, Bennie Maupin, Billy Harper? I give up. The recording date is not stated but I think it was recorded in 1972 or 1973. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 I'm almost wondering if Track 2 is Pharoah Sanders?!? It sure reminds me of his late sixties recordings, with less screaming. If not, could it be Keith Jarrett with Dewey Redman? R/C - I'm enjoying your compilation. I hope I can contribute more later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 If not, could it be Keith Jarrett with Dewey Redman? I was scouring that as well but RC sez that the saxophonist here only appears here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 If not, could it be Keith Jarrett with Dewey Redman? I was scouring that as well but RC sez that the saxophonist here only appears here. hmmmm... Who could it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Doesn't sound remotely like Joe Henderson. The track certainly is a stumper. The tenor sounds to me like someone who came later, late '70s or after perhaps and who generally might be found in more "out" settings, e.g., David Murray, Chico Freeman. But I don't think it's either player. Pianist has me stumped also. If this turns out to be in my collection, I'm really gonna be pissed! See now, I felt a little Henderson towards the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 fegh man, we're not getting any closer are we? been searching in too many directions to still have an overview... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Track 2 is haunting me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooter Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) I have listened several times now and I'm none the wiser. I've only seen that 1. is Jaco from other peoples comments and that Rahsaan is in there somewhere. The nearest I can come to a guess at anything is perhaps David Sanchez and Danilo Perez for 2. Sure I've heard the tenor player but just not sure who it is. Floundering completely with the rest, unless Rahsaan is 3. A lot is not in the areas I inhabit so can't comment at all, but I did find it nice listening. I particularly liked 5. - we had a background vibes player not long ago - I wonder if it's the same one. 14. is "Confessin'" I think - sounds nice but no idea who. Thanks for a challenging disk - it's been fun. Now I'll read the comments in full. Edited May 5, 2004 by tooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Please excuse my tardiness. I've been listening to the disc for the last week, but finally had a chance to write my thoughts... 1. Has to be Jaco. (Or perhaps Steve Swallow in his electro-funk Jaco mode.) Nice way to start the disc! 2. Very nice piece – it sounds familiar in a way (I’m sure I’ll recognize the names of the players) though I don’t think I’ve necessarily heard it before. It has that neat early 70’s electric-sounding piano and sax vibe to it that I’ve really been digging lately. Damn, that sax player sounds familiar! One of my favorite tracks on this disc. 3. Love that plucked bass intro. Another cool tune that builds nicely as it progresses. Again, I don’t think that I’ll be surprised when I hear the names, but nothing rings any specific bells to me. 4. Vocalist almost sounds like Sheila Jordan in spots, but I’m not familiar with her in such a large ensemble context. I don’t think it’s her. I love this sort of propulsive, somewhat progressive, ensemble arranging. This reminds me in some ways of Shepp’s big band, but I don’t think he had the organ. The song seems very familiar to me, though the arrangement keeps me from recognizing it. Another of my favorite tracks here. 5. Ah, a change-up. Slower, moodier, with a quasi-Latin groove underneath it all. Almost too pretty to take seriously, but hell, I like “pretty” too. Soprano sax should narrow down my guess, but I’ll have to think about it some… 6. I like the ominous, off-beat rhythm and the vocal styling is a good fit, but I’m rather glad this was a short piece. Sounds like 7. I’m digging this, but haven’t a clue. I can’t remember if I’ve heard this track before or if I’m just flashing on its familiarity from quickly spinning this BFT disc last week. Almost sounds like something the AEC would do – there’s an a-g energy mixed with its overt folksiness – but it’s too small an ensemble. If this isn’t from the late-60’s/early 70’s I don’t know what is. (note: just sought and found this one at AMG. I’m kind of pissed because I actually had this disc in hand a few weeks back at Amoeba, but didn’t pick it up. My bad it seems.) 8. Not my favorite track here, though it’s hardly unlistenable. I gotta really be in the mood for this kind of stuff – and right now I’m not. 9. I first thought this was a continuation from track 8, but I’m glad to hear that it’s not. Tune sounds familiar, but I’m not sure. Sounds like a Herbie comp in spots. Is that actually a violin or just a bowed bass/cello? Not sure. I didn’t like this much the first time I heard it but it’s growing on me. Lots of interesting things happening in a tune that’s deceptively slow and simple. I’d suggest or Woody Shaw or Eddie Henderson for trumpet, but that bowed bass is throwing me off. Hmm… 10. I’m not sure if I like that “cutesy” flute-and-strings rhythm going on behind it, but I absolutely love that sax solo. Love the rough tone and passion behind it. Could be later-day Shepp, Sanders, or perhaps Gary Bartz on tenor. The more I hear it, the more familiar the tune seems to me. Another favorite track here. 11. The sounds of an orchestra warming up before the performance. I know a few people will hate this one, but I’m cool with it. Sounds like a reasonably accessible Hat Hut disc. Don’t mean to be catty by saying something like that, but it sort of reminds me of the little Franz Koglmann that I’ve heard. Not my first choice of music to spin, but it’s challenging in a good way. 12. Almost film music-y. Or perhaps Eno or Harold Budd. Damn, if that doesn’t sound like a Lanois production. As to more mainstream jazz performers, I haven’t a clue. 13. No clue. Doesn’t do much for me either way. 14. Gotta be Bill Frisell. Made me smile! Great bookend to the opening track. 15. But it’s not over yet! One of my favorite “oldies,” but the vocalist doesn’t ring any obvious bells. Doesn’t knock me out either, but it’s hard to screw up such a great tune. The double-time section at the end also made me smile. A fine ending to another very entertaining Blind-fold Test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 RDK adds a wrinkle to the #9 mystery. What say you, Rockefeller Center... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted May 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) Noj, I'm sorry to say that this is not Eddie Henderson on #9. Edited May 4, 2004 by rockefeller center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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