Soul Stream Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Hey...how's the Quebec? Picked it up twice to buy it and then put it back. Too much bread unless I KNOW it's going to be something I LOVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeith Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 "Andrew!!!"--prime early Hill. In its own way, "Andrew!!!"... Hill's melodies are less memorable than on previous sessions...John Gilmore doesn't have a lot to do here; he gets in a number of good spots, but he's hardly the main attraction. Cherish this sound--there's only so much of it out there. ← Will respectfully disagree on the first two points. Out of all of Hill's first wave of BNs, I find both the melodies and forms (especially the forms) of these pieces to be the most clearly deliniated. Which is not to say that they're "better", just that they "stick" as complete, fully formed entities almost immediately, with little or no need for repeaed listenings to figure out what, in general, is going on technically. I'd even go so far as to say that for the "lay fan", that this is the most "accesible" of Hill's early BN dates. As for Gilmore, hey - both of his recordings w/Andrew are "desert island" recordings for me. He really brings a special flavor to the music, and his interpretations, in both melody and solos, are as perfect and as organic as any horn player that Hill's ever recorded with, imo. His natural style of fragmented motivic variation is such a perfect conceptual match for Hill's similarly fragmented-yet-together compositional style. I think he really gets inside the music in a way that few, if any, other horn players have. No disagreement on that third point, though. None whatsoever! ← I agree with JSangry's comments on this one and would only add that I think Gilmore solos on every tune and I think his solo space is equivalent to Hill's. He is so great on this album!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 MIke. . . I think you'd dig the Quebec. His playing is amazing! I think you'll like the organists too. The "sounds" of the organs may be a bit dated in places, but the playing from those hands is something to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjarrell Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Hey...how's the Quebec? Picked it up twice to buy it and then put it back. Too much bread unless I KNOW it's going to be something I LOVE. ← It's Ike Quebec playing the tenor saxophone, late 50s-early 60s! What's not to love? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Thanks. I'm sure I'll pick this up at some point. Love Quebec, and very interested in hearing these organists whom i'm sure come from any earlier-pre-smith mindset which is very interesting in it's own right to my thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I picked up the McLean and am about to buy the Andrew Hill today...a quick question: I went to my vinyl collection at home and looked for "Andrew' - thought I already had. Rather, I came across Andrew Hill's "Compulsion" album with John Gilmore, et al...a similar line up BUT WITH FREDDIE HUBBARD on trumpet. Has "Compulsion" been reissued on cd? Only on Mosaic "Complete Andrew Hill??" ← Compulsion hasn't been released on CD in the US except on the Mosaic box. Can't speak to what may or may not have come out on a TOCJ CD in Japan. Seems like just about everything from prime Blue Note era has, though I can't say that for sure (I'm sure someone will either confirm or correct the statement, though!). I really like Gilmore on Compulsion, also love his work on Pete LaRoca's 'Turkish Women at the Bath'. Thank you 32jazz for getting that one out on CD a few years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 (edited) "Andrew!!!"--prime early Hill. In its own way, "Andrew!!!"... Hill's melodies are less memorable than on previous sessions...John Gilmore doesn't have a lot to do here; he gets in a number of good spots, but he's hardly the main attraction. Cherish this sound--there's only so much of it out there. ← Will respectfully disagree on the first two points. Out of all of Hill's first wave of BNs, I find both the melodies and forms (especially the forms) of these pieces to be the most clearly deliniated. Which is not to say that they're "better", just that they "stick" as complete, fully formed entities almost immediately, with little or no need for repeaed listenings to figure out what, in general, is going on technically. I'd even go so far as to say that for the "lay fan", that this is the most "accesible" of Hill's early BN dates. As for Gilmore, hey - both of his recordings w/Andrew are "desert island" recordings for me. He really brings a special flavor to the music, and his interpretations, in both melody and solos, are as perfect and as organic as any horn player that Hill's ever recorded with, imo. His natural style of fragmented motivic variation is such a perfect conceptual match for Hill's similarly fragmented-yet-together compositional style. I think he really gets inside the music in a way that few, if any, other horn players have. No disagreement on that third point, though. None whatsoever! ← You know, I was sort of hasty about the melodies--Hill has this sort of insidiousness about his heads that grabs hard and just doesn't let go. Still--and this may be my ears--"Andrew!!!" sounds a lot more angular than usual... substantially more esoteric than "Black Fire" and at least as impressionistic as "Judgment". The intervals just kill; over the course of Hill's early Blue Note tenure, his heads just got harder and harder to whistle. Listening with the right tools yields ample rewards--and this stuff can stick in your skull--but there's a pretty wide gap between "Land of Nod" and "Le Serpent Qui Danse". That's sort of what I meant by less memorable--just more difficult to grasp. I'm kind of on the same level with the harmonies; there's this sort of "floating" quality to "Andrew!!!" that obscures the form (even if the progressions themselves are quite striking). On the matter of Gilmore--I've really been disappointed by a lot of his non-Sun Ra output. I'm glad that there's so much love for him out here--and I do enjoy his spots on "Andrew!!!"--but he comes across as... well, if not extraneous, then merely "supplementary". "Turkish Women..." turned me off for the same reasons. I guess you can't expect--nor should you expect--a guy to go apeshit on every session he's on, but Gilmore always sounds underutilized to me. Even on "Andrew!!!", where he's clearly integrated into the whole, the rhythm team is just so tight that Gilmore's kind of there to float on top (like Henderson on Black Fire, but that was sort of a gestative session--even Hill and Davis were just getting together). Love his playing to death, though. You know, Hill's always been the insider pick for me... I was introduced to the 60's BN's by an old jazzbo--you know, the kind of cat who had simultaneous chats with Oliver Nelson and the NYAQ--and was knocked out at the first bar. Hill is like a rite of passage--when you dig him, you're in in the clique. Nice to see the enthusiasm, all. Edited October 7, 2005 by ep1str0phy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gray Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) I have 'From Hackensack to Englewood Cliffs' by Ike Quebec and I am curious why the last 2 tracks on that CD are not on the new double. These are 'Cry me a River' and "Uptight' Did they fall outside the remit, was this not a '45 session' Does anyone have any idea? Edited October 9, 2005 by Steve Gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Well Steve it's quite simple.....Michael Cuscuna doesn't like them. He considered them for this release but decided against them because he thinks Ike isn't playing as good as he should and the recording itself isn't up to RvG standards as well. These tracks were the first ones recorded in the new Englewood Cliffs studio and he was still experimenting and trying to get his "RvG" sound right in these new premises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Any reports on the sound on these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 (edited) european members might like to know that the euro version of the Elmo Hope title appears to be a non CC disc- no mention of it anywhere on the label - guess it's too long to fit the cactus stuff on ! Edited October 10, 2005 by Clunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montg Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) Richard Davis doesn't get enough credit; he's always been one of the most versatile, reliable bassists in the community, capable of playing even the most complex material with uncanny spirit You said it! I've been thinking the same thing lately as 'Out to lunch' and 'Judgment' have been in heavy rotation on my player...been really digging Davis Does he come through clearly on this latest Conn? Some of the remasterings of the early Conns were pretty weak, bass-wise, I thought Edited October 11, 2005 by montg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Richard Davis doesn't get enough credit; he's always been one of the most versatile, reliable bassists in the community, capable of playing even the most complex material with uncanny spirit You said it! I've been thinking the same thing lately as 'Out to lunch' and 'Judgment' have been in heavy rotation on my player...been really digging Davis Does he come through clearly on this latest Conn? Some of the remasterings of the early Conns were pretty weak, bass-wise, I thought ← He's in there. It's not exactly the "voice of doom" sound found elsewhere (like that "Nefertiti" remaster), but Davis' presence is very much felt. The more recent Conns have had a better sound balance, IMO. Regardless, RD is the kind of cat who can cut through anything--and he's loud and clear here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 i'm luvin' the quebec!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Listenin' to the "Tex Book Tenor" release right now. Been so long since I heard that half of the double lp "Back from the Gig." This is a really good date in my opinion, one of my favorite Bookers with excellent Woody and Kenny Barron. If I toe out my speakers enough the McMaster sound doesn't overwhelm me! Still don't like the title though. Sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Richard Davis doesn't get enough credit; he's always been one of the most versatile, reliable bassists in the community, capable of playing even the most complex material with uncanny spirit You said it! I've been thinking the same thing lately as 'Out to lunch' and 'Judgment' have been in heavy rotation on my player...been really digging Davis He gets a lot of credit from me. I've been a big fan for over 20 years, which is most of the time I've been a jazz listener. Whenever I see his name on an album, I know I'm in for a big treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 "Andrew!!!"--prime early Hill. In its own way, "Andrew!!!" is on par with "Point of Departure," "Judgment," "Black Fire" and the ilk. Despite the matching rhythm sections, this is nothing like "Dialogue". If it weren't for Joe Chambers--much less combustible, a little more "brainy" than Elvin Jones--I'd say that this was "Judgment" Pt. 2. Hill's melodies are less memorable than on previous sessions, but the group dynamic is simply stunning. The boys just take it somewhere else on this one. There's urgency, danger in the grooves. The rhythm section is just so tight that... well, it's heavy--not just "wow that's deep heavy"... Led Zeppelin heavy. Just listened to this for the first time last night. Chambers does amazing stuff here. The combination of the compositions, Andrew's piano and Bobby's vibes reminds me of Monk's sessions with Milt Jackson, updated for the 60s. I can't wait for Involution, Compulsion and Pax to be released!!! Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 They'll have to find another title than Involution, though That was the name of one of the pieces from the Sam Rivers half of the two-fer. It looks like we have another Back From the Gig deal on our hands Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 The combination of the compositions, Andrew's piano and Bobby's vibes reminds me of Monk's sessions with Milt Jackson, updated for the 60s. Holy shit --I'd never thought of that before. That just makes so much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Still thinking about getting "Andrew!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Still thinking about getting "Andrew!!!" yourmusic.com has it for $5.99. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAL Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Still thinking about getting "Andrew!!!" Grabbed it even though I had to pay > $13 for it. Any Andrew Hill album is a must hear!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 They'll have to find another title than Involution, though That was the name of one of the pieces from the Sam Rivers half of the two-fer. It looks like we have another Back From the Gig deal on our hands Bertrand. I believe the intended title was Change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Coulda swore I'd commented about these at some point, but I guess not. Suffice to say, the McLean is absolutely essential!!! Amazing this didn't get released when it was recorded, as the playing is so strong! This is a perfect bike-riding album! The Ervin was a wonderful surprise, but then I guess it shouldn't've been, seein's how Billy Higgins is on the date! I love to listen to this disc in the kitchen! Haven't gotten Andrew!!! yet; not sure if I wanna upgrade from the Mosaic or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Change is good. As a title, I mean. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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