Matthew

John Patton Mosaic Select: What's in, What's Out?

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O.K., I'm getting older and have C.R.S. (Can't Remember Stuff ;) ) -- So what's in the Mosaic Select that's coming out, and other than what's in the Select, what do I need to get to have all is BN stuff? I saw a bunch of his stuff Friday doing some cd hunting, but I couldn't pull the triger because I didn't want to duplicate blah,blah,blah.

PS: Is "Blue John" worth picking up. I'm not a big fan of George Braith, in fact, I got rid of his doubletime BN release. There seems to be two different reviews for AMG. My third edition and what's on the webiste do not agree on it's worth.

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If you didn't like Braith's 3 Blue Note albums, I don't think you'd like "Blue John" at all. IMHO, the Braith solo efforts are better.

I think the Mosaic is supposed to have Patton's "Along Came John" "The Way I Feel" "Oh Baby" "Let 'Em Roll" "That Certain Feeling" and either part of "Understanding" or Harold Vick's "Steppin' Out."

IMHO this is a fucked up list. Along Came John is OUT on CD, Let Em Roll is OUT on CD (and has been forever.) And then to release PART of Under or Steppin'????? This is a crackhead Cuscuna lineup. Sorry.

This is really a no brainer....The Way I Feel...Oh Baby...That Certain Feeling...Accent On The Blues...Understanding. Plus any and all Bonus material. I would have included "Got A Good Thing Going" but I understand it's coming out soon enough.

I don't know what the status of this is...on hold? Coming? Without the BNBB on this one we're fucked as far as answers go I guess. Unless someone e-mails Cuscuna.

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You could always email Mosaic. They usually are very happy to answer questions.

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I just emailed Mosaic about this set. I'm very interested in this one as well.

I remember reading a thread related to this in the old days, and I don't recall "Let 'em Roll" or "Steppin' Out" ever being mentioned as being in the set. I could be wrong, however. Either way, hopefully Mosaic will reply to my email and give me all the details. I'll post the reply here when I get it.

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You could always email Mosaic. They usually are very happy to answer questions.

Last two e-mails I sent Mosaic went unanswered. Not too happy about that since I've bought 25 Mosaics.

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If you ask me, this whole Select series is a crackhead move. How many records did Patton release under his own name? About 10 or 11? These could easily fit on a "Complete Blue Note Recordings of John Patton" boxset with about 6 discs. Maybe 7. And the set would then cost a little over a hundred bucks, right? What's wrong with that?

Instead we get a Select series with, as Soul Stream pointed out, a bunch of stuff that is already available and has been available for YEARS instead of the recordings that have never been on CD in the US. Doesn't make any sense to me.

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IMHO, they should just release That Certain Feeling as a Rare Groove.

I have all of the others in one form or another.

I won't buy the Select just to get that one.

I suppose I could sell the others I have in order to justify the purchase.

Also I believe Got A Good Thing Going On is coming out as a Rare Groove.

All in all a strange plan for Patton.

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I am not very convinced by the planning on this series. The Carmell Jones made sense as none of the items had been on domestic CD. The Grachan Moncur did not make sense to me (as a long time collector) since only one LP had been previously unavailable. If a set contains all or mostly new-to-CD items that is one thing. But this pick-n-mix approach combining items that many people already have with maybe one or two that they don't seems crazy. The Patton set seems particularly badly planned. It is their business, I suppose, but I am pretty tired of having the impression that I am being targetted to rebuy things that I have already bought.

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I purchased the Moncur Select because I didn't have any of what the box offered. However, I delayed purchasing the Destination Out Conn in anticipation of the Moncur Select box.

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I'm on the fence about the Moncur set. I've got everything that has been out on cd already and I have the unreleased material on vinyl. On the old board, a few people brought up issues with the sound of the Moncur set. Any comments/suggestions? Should I hold off?

I agree with B3-er. I would love to see a larger Patton set.

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I thought That Certain Feeling was the Rare Groove out in April. Any one else remember it this way?

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My feeling about the Select series is that it's a way to get the music out without having to make a big investment: no big box and no book to have to create or pay for. It's a way to do it inexpensively and allows them to concentrate on a few full blown box sets. Otherwise, it may take a while to get them out.

In addition, some of the Mosaic Selects they may be putting out may not be large enough to warrant the full Mosaic treatment (like the Carmell Jones).

You may complain about certain aspects of what they're doing but if they're financially limited by what they can do and they can get the music out, what's the problem. Better this way than no way at all. Had it not been this way, I doubt I would have ever gotten to listen to some of Carmell Jones' music.

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I remember it being Got a Good Thing Goin as the Rare Groove next month.

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yeah, it's Good Thing Going coming out...NOT That Certain Feeling as it should be. <_<

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I just heard back from Mosaic. Here's what they wrote:

The John Patton will be issued as a 3CD Select. There is

no firm release

date; probably Oct/Nov of this year.

MOSAIC SELECT - JOHN PATTON

DISC ONE

1. The Silver Meter (A) 5:39

(Ben Dixon) EMI Unart BMI

2. I'll Never Be Free (A) 5:00

(G.D. Weiss-B. Benjamin) Abilene Music c/o The

Songwriters Guild/Claude A

Music c/o Jack N. Albert ASCAP

3. Spiffy Diffy (A) 6:00

(Ben Dixon) EMI Unart BMI

4. Along Came John (A) 6:00

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

5. Gee Gee (A) 5:59

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

6. Pig Foots (A) 5:42

(Ben Dixon) EMI Unart BMI

(A) Fred Jackson, Harold Vick, tenor saxophones; Grant

Green, guitar; John

Patton, organ; Ben Dixon, drums.

Originally issued as ALONG CAME JOHN (Blue Note BST

84130).

Produced by ALFRED LION

Recording engineer: RUDY VAN GELDER

Recorded at the Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, New

Jersey on April 5,

1963

Cover photograph by FRANCIS WOLFF

Cover design by REID MILES

7. The Rock 7:24

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

8. The Way I Feel 8:29

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

9. Jerry 6:41

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

10. Davene 7:20

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

11. Just ¾ 6:47

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

(B) Richard Williams, trumpet; Fred Jackson, tenor &

baritone sax; Grant

Green, guitar; John Patton, organ; Ben Dixon, drums.

Originally issued as THE WAY I FEEL (Blue Note BST 84174)

Produced by ALFRED LION

Recording engineer: RUDY VAN GELDER

Recorded at the Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, New

Jersey on June 19,

1964

Cover photo by FRANCIS WOLFF

Cover design by REID MILES

DISC TWO

1. Fat Judy © 7:40

(Ben Dixon) Lay-up Music Co BMI

2. Oh Baby © 6:17

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

3. Each Time © 5:39

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

4. One To Twelve © 7:51

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

5. Night Flight © 6:34

(Harold Vick) EMI Unart/Second Floor Music BMI

6. Good Juice © 6:32

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

© Blue Mitchell, trumpet; Harold Vick, tenor sax; Grant

Green, guitar;

John Patton, organ; Ben Dixon, drums.

(Originally issued as OH BABY! (Blue Note BST 84192)

Produced by ALFRED LION

Recording engineer: RUDY VAN GELDER

Recorded at the Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, New

Jersey on March 8,

1965

Cover photo by RONNIE BRATHWAITE

Model: BRENDA DEAVER (Grandassa Models)

7. String Bean (D) 5:51

(John Patton) Johnsier Music Publ. Co.-BMI

8. I Want To Go Home (D) 8:30

(John Patton) EMI Unart-BMI

9. Early A.M. (D) 7:17

(John Patton) EMI Unart BMI

DISC THREE

1. Dirty Fingers (D) 6:07

(John Patton) Johnsier Music Publ. Co.-BMI

2. Minor Swing (D) 6:32

(John Patton) EMI Unart-BMI

3. Daddy James (D) 6:36

(Jimmy Watson) Johnsier Music Publ. Co.-BMI

(D) Junior Cook, tenor sax; Jimmy Ponder, guitar; John

Patton, organ;

Clifford Jarvis, drums.

Originally issued as THAT CERTAIN FEELING (Blue Note BST

84281)

Cover photo by JOEL BRODSKY

Cover design by FORLENZA VENOSA ASSOCIATES

Recording by RUDY VAN GELDER

Produced by FRANCIS WOLFF

Recorded March 8, 1968

4. Ding Dong (E) 5:28

(Harold Alexander) Jazz Bo Alexander Pub. Co. BMI

5. Congo Chant (E) 9:05

(John Patton) Johnsier Publ. Co BMI

6. Alfie's Theme (E) 4:40

(Sonny Rollins) Ensign Music BMI

7. Soul Man (E) 6:13

(D. Porter-I. Hayes) Walden Music/Birdees Music ASCAP

8. Understanding (E) 6:52

(M. Nash-S. Gary) Cissi Music Inc. BMI

9. (E) Chitlins Con Carne 6:30

(Kenny Burrell) Elliot Music Co BMI

(E) Harold Alexander, tenor sax & flute; John Patton,

organ; Hugh Walker,

drums

Originally issued as UNDERSTANDING (Blue Note BST 84306)

Recorded October 25, 1968 at the Van Gelder Studio,

Englewood Cliffs, New

Jersey.

Produced by FRANCIS WOLFF

Recording by RUDY VAN GELDER

Photos by FRANCIS WOLFF

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It is total nonsense to include Along Came John, which was reissued in 2000 and is readily available. They are just seeking ways to pad out a set to make up a three disk package. Why don't they include Blue John which is a much harder find and could do with a sound upgrade?

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On a side note, the review in Allmusic for Understanding is one of the most bizarre reviews I have seen on their site - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=An1jveay14xh7 :D

Bizarre indeed!

The album might be called UNDERSTANDING, but the review is severely MISundertanding!

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Hey, if you think that's lame. Check out the AMG Reviews for Lou Donaldson's "The Scorpion, live at the Cadillac Club," and also I think it's "Pretty Things" mayabe another from that time.... Scott Yanow keeps talking about Lou's use of the Varitone as..."Donaldson plays BARITONE sax on these sides." What a COMPLETE idiot.

How do you get job reviewing for AMG??? He's horrible.

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So it's:

Along Came John

The Way I Feel

Oh Baby!

That Certain Feeling

Understanding (complete!)

Michael decided to go with a complete Understanding, and no Harold Vick Steppin' Out (same line-up as Oh Baby!)

I already have:

Along Came John

Blue John

Let 'Em Roll

Got A Good Thing Goin'

Memphis To New York Spirit

Bogaloo

Accent On The Blues

With the Mosaic select, I will have the complete Patton BN sessions.

This box works out very nicely for me! I know others are miffed, however.

I certainly would have preferred Blue John as well instead of Along Came John, if only because there are some extra tracks from Blue John that have not yet come out (for example, a version of Grant Green's 'Jean De Fleur').

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All that needs to be done now is to get Alvin Queen to reissue SOUL CONNECTION on CD.

That badboy's NICE!

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Hey, if you think that's lame. Check out the AMG Reviews for Lou Donaldson's "The Scorpion, live at the Cadillac Club," and also I think it's "Pretty Things" mayabe another from that time.... Scott Yanow keeps talking about Lou's use of the Varitone as..."Donaldson plays BARITONE sax on these sides." What a COMPLETE idiot.

How do you get job reviewing for AMG??? He's horrible.

Are you sure Donaldson plays Baritone sax on "The Scorpion". I no longer own it, but I could swear that when I did, Lou played his alto with a Varitone attachment. If Lou's playing bari on this, I may have to give it another thought.

BTW, for the record, "Along Came John" has been officially out of print for many months already.

Later,

Kevin

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I think Kevin may be correct...

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I think Soul Stream was referring to Yanow's calling the Varitone a baritone.

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Well, I only have Along Came John from this group so I welcome this set. I'm glad Blue John's not in it. Not a huge Braith fan.

Maybe the All Music review for Understanding is something that was borrowed a BNBB posting :o

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