mikelz777 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Just received my copy. Haven't opened it yet, because I'm not sure if I want to keep it. Front cover image looks clean, not like a cheap xerox or anything. Has the black connoisseur series band on the left. Above the bar code in microscopic print, it says "Manufactured by CreateSpace, Scotts Valley, CA." I'm thinking of sending it back because I didn't realize it was a CD-R at first. It's fine that Amazon sells these, but CD-R should be specified in the format, IMHO. What do think I should do? Do you want to hear the music contained within? If so, open it up and enjoy it! How else can you get this music unless you pay an outrageous price for it? I'd give them the benefit of a doubt and guess that the sound quality is OK. I can't even hear any appreciable difference between store-bought CDs and the ones I burn on my Dell desk-top. The product description noted that this was a CD-R product so Amazon is being up front. I'd like to hear from someone who has bought and listened to the disc. I'm betting it's just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 The product description noted that this was a CD-R product so Amazon is being up front. When I ordered my copy, that detail was in small print further down. The format stated "CD." Not knowing they ever sold CD-Rs, I took "CD" literally. I think they should state "CD-R" on the format if they sell these. But yeah, I'm tempted to give it a spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 OK, thanks all for the reality check! I'm keeping it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelz777 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 OK, thanks all for the reality check! I'm keeping it! Let us know your impressions when you've given it a fair listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 incidentally, the Hutcherson Montreux cd is also cd-r Hutch Live I checked this at Amazon UK. They're not doing it in the UK. What a bleeding pain in the arse they are over here! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted December 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Got my copy. Booklet and tray liner/back notes look pretty darn good. Heavy stock, clean images. Probably done on a high-end ink jet. Doesn't smack of homemade. Discs have nice label - definitely CD-R. No problem reading the discs at the office. Sound quality is decent. Not using my best gear and currently playing at low-levels. But no reason to send it back. I'll post some pictures when I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Got my copy. Booklet and tray liner/back notes look pretty darn good. Heavy stock, clean images. Probably done on a high-end ink jet. Doesn't smack of homemade. Discs have nice label - definitely CD-R. No problem reading the discs at the office. Sound quality is decent. Not using my best gear and currently playing at low-levels. But no reason to send it back. I'll post some pictures when I get home. No reason the sound shouldn't be as good/bad as the original CD. Unless someone really screws it up, they should be bit-identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted December 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 No reason the sound shouldn't be as good/bad as the original CD. Unless someone really screws it up, they should be bit-identical. True. The fear that these might have come from an original CD ripped to MP3 and then written to a CD-R is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 (edited) How do you know they didn't go from CD --> MP3 --> CD (not being argumentative--just curious)? No reason the sound shouldn't be as good/bad as the original CD. Unless someone really screws it up, they should be bit-identical. True. The fear that these might have come from an original CD ripped to MP3 and then written to a CD-R is not the case. Edited December 1, 2008 by Peter Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Sound is indeed not the problem (at least not initially). Longevity is. 25-year-old CDs still play fine, unless there was a manufacturing error, but CD-Rs can go bad in a few years. By the way, I think this will be a problem at Amazon marketplace and eBay from now on. A buyer may think he will get the original CD release, and then when he opens it, it turns out to be the CD-R version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 How do you know they didn't go from CD --> MP3 --> CD (not being argumentative--just curious)? No reason the sound shouldn't be as good/bad as the original CD. Unless someone really screws it up, they should be bit-identical. True. The fear that these might have come from an original CD ripped to MP3 and then written to a CD-R is not the case. Why might they do this? It doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Anyone wanting to determine if something is from mp3 sources should download (free) Tau Analyzer. It's remarkably accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelz777 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Sound is indeed not the problem (at least not initially). Longevity is. 25-year-old CDs still play fine, unless there was a manufacturing error, but CD-Rs can go bad in a few years. By the way, I think this will be a problem at Amazon marketplace and eBay from now on. A buyer may think he will get the original CD release, and then when he opens it, it turns out to be the CD-R version. I was just wondering what that really means. Does that mean that it can go bad in a few years with constant regular play or it can go bad in a few years regardless? Does it "go bad" from playing? If you only played it two or three times a year, wouldn't it conceivably last decades? I'm really curious about what the difference might be between a CD-R and a regular CD issue as far as longevity is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Sound is indeed not the problem (at least not initially). Longevity is. 25-year-old CDs still play fine, unless there was a manufacturing error, but CD-Rs can go bad in a few years. By the way, I think this will be a problem at Amazon marketplace and eBay from now on. A buyer may think he will get the original CD release, and then when he opens it, it turns out to be the CD-R version. I was just wondering what that really means. Does that mean that it can go bad in a few years with constant regular play or it can go bad in a few years regardless? Does it "go bad" from playing? If you only played it two or three times a year, wouldn't it conceivably last decades? I'm really curious about what the difference might be between a CD-R and a regular CD issue as far as longevity is concerned. I may be wrong but I believe it is not related to being played or not. Consumer CDRs protect the 0s and 1s less effectively, supposedly, than manufactured CDs, and therefore may cease to be readable by your CD player. On the other hand, on the very rare occasions that this has happened to me, I have always been able to use my audio software to extract the audio files to WAV files and re-burn the CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Sound is indeed not the problem (at least not initially). Longevity is. 25-year-old CDs still play fine, unless there was a manufacturing error, but CD-Rs can go bad in a few years. By the way, I think this will be a problem at Amazon marketplace and eBay from now on. A buyer may think he will get the original CD release, and then when he opens it, it turns out to be the CD-R version. I was just wondering what that really means. Does that mean that it can go bad in a few years with constant regular play or it can go bad in a few years regardless? Does it "go bad" from playing? If you only played it two or three times a year, wouldn't it conceivably last decades? I'm really curious about what the difference might be between a CD-R and a regular CD issue as far as longevity is concerned. I don't know for sure either, but my instinct is that it means "regardless." That is, the CD-R shelf-life is relatively limited regardless of how much or little it is played. Expert opinion would be welcome, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Got my copy. Booklet and tray liner/back notes look pretty darn good. Heavy stock, clean images. Probably done on a high-end ink jet. Doesn't smack of homemade. Discs have nice label - definitely CD-R. No problem reading the discs at the office. Sound quality is decent. Not using my best gear and currently playing at low-levels. But no reason to send it back. I'll post some pictures when I get home. Sounds like it's a decent package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 (edited) I don't know for sure either, but my instinct is that it means "regardless." That is, the CD-R shelf-life is relatively limited regardless of how much or little it is played. Expert opinion would be welcome, however. No expert here, but I'm under the impression that the life span depends on temperature, light and other environmental factors. Edited December 1, 2008 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted December 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 How do you know they didn't go from CD --> MP3 --> CD (not being argumentative--just curious)? I've played enough CD --> MP3 --> CDs to recognize the low bit-rate examples of this type of conversion and subjectively these discs did not exhibit similar characteristics. Anyone wanting to determine if something is from mp3 sources should download (free) Tau Analyzer. It's remarkably accurate. Interesting tool. I might just give it a shot. Why might they do this? It doesn't make sense. CD --> MP3 --> CD is exactly the type of thing a "fly-by-night", low budget, scam artist type of operation might employ. <sincere>respectable businessmen like yourself wouldn't consider doing business like this. so I am not surprised it didn't make sense to you. wish there were more like you.</sincere> Please note: lack of <sincere> tags around future posts does not mean I'm not. I just felt it was important to stress my true meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 CD --> MP3 --> CD is exactly the type of thing a "fly-by-night", low budget, scam artist type of operation might employ. <sincere>respectable businessmen like yourself wouldn't consider doing business like this. so I am not surprised it didn't make sense to you. wish there were more like you.</sincere> Please note: lack of <sincere> tags around future posts does not mean I'm not. I just felt it was important to stress my true meaning. Let me try this. <sincere>Conn's a dick!</sincere> Hey, that felt good!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted December 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Here are some pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indestructible! Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Here are some pictures That packaging looks waaaaayyyyyyy better than I thought it would. Maybe they're on to something here... I would purchase OOP releases packaged like that in a heartbeat. Cheers, Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Doesn't look bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Now - maybe we can have the same treatment on 'Tokyo Live' and 'Bemsha Swing' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Wow--that looks terrific! At first blush, I'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Going to see what other titles they have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 It looks like my original copy. It's possible that Blue Note had extra packaging (booklet, tray cards), and that's why they chose this title to issue. I found it significant that Amazon listed the label as Blue Note. That says to me that they're standing behind the quality of the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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