Claude Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 (edited) In my view, they should not have included any jazz album and restricted the list to pop records. That's where Rolling Stone is competent. "Competent" is a serious stretch when Rolling Stone comes to mind. I don't read the Rolling Stone, all I know is that it is not famous for it's jazz reviews. But when I think of it, I really became a jazz fan because of the Rolling Stone Jazz Record Guide, that I bought in 1990 and that helped me a lot to browse through the huge jazz CD selection of the public library in Brussels. It is still useful today, because unlike the Penguin Guide it is based on LPs and contains many reviews of albums that are not available on CD. Edited November 28, 2003 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Let's face it: RS hasn't been very important for 25 years. I hear Cream is coming back, let's see if they can get it together. The band Cream? Or the magazine Creem? (gimme my prunes before I get cranky! ) The magazine. Bean wacker. Oh fuck, I'm gonna get a warning. Please don't take it too personally Sngry! 3 Have a prune... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Rolling Stone is a piece of crap, no question about it. I think the "top ten" are painfully obvious and I suspect I could have compiled such an insightful list 25 years ago. I di think the overall "top 500" has some value - I saw a bunch of old stuff I have not thought about for years and will probably check out some of the things I have not heard of. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 BTW anyone noticed how many Greatest Hits or Best of's are on there? Is this a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 (edited) How can you not have Entroducing by DJ Shadow??? I didn't see David Crosby's first solo album either. And all of Big Star's albums are in it?? This comes from some alternate universe right? You know, the universe that the crew of the original Star Trek were transported to, the evil one. Edited November 29, 2003 by Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 BTW anyone noticed how many Greatest Hits or Best of's are on there? Is this a joke? I noticed that, too. And what about: 53. The Birth of Soul: The Complete Atlantic Rhythm and Blues Recordings, 1952 - 1959, Ray Charles A 3-CD box set is an "album"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 (edited) Let's face it: RS hasn't been very important for 25 years. I hear Cream is coming back, let's see if they can get it together. The band Cream? Or the magazine Creem? (gimme my prunes before I get cranky! ) The magazine. Bean wacker. Oh fuck, I'm gonna get a warning. Please don't take it too personally Sngry! 3 Have a prune... I don't. Hell, I'm old enough to remember when HIT PARADER was a SERIOUS music magazine! Still have 1 or 2 issues, one where Al Kooper talks about the birth of Blood Sweat & Tears and how he's copped some riffs from Maynard's band and stuff like that. Chris Dreja listing Jimmy Smith & MJQ albums among his favorites, stuff like that. A history of the Seattle music scene (in, like, 1968!), a thoughtful article about how Rock had peaked and had no place left to go but downhill due to it's new self-importance (again, in 1968!). Those were the days. Hand me another prune, please... Edited November 29, 2003 by JSngry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregK Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Well, at least we know that John Coltrane is officially better than Public Enemy. Thank you Rolling Stone for your obviously well thought out critical analyzation. The next time I go to pop in some Coltrane, I'll know that there are 46 other greater and more rewarding albums to listen to! Including the great and timeless Ramones by the Ramones. I wanna be sedated takes on a whole new meaning. Facetiously, Jazz Exactly. Amen By the way, why no King Crimson, and pathetically few Zappa entries? Oh wait, this is Rolling Stone, they of the yearly "HOT" (i.e., trend worthy) lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzdog Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 The only thing worse than Top ??? lists, are people who complain about them! ...and you can quote me on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 The only thing worse than Top ??? lists, are people who complain about them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Any list that has Sinatra on it and doesn't even list ONLY THE LONELY has no credibility with me. Not like that's the only reason, but... I agree 100%!!!!! I know some here hate Sinatra, but this album just grips my soul. Especially "Angel Eyes" If I had to only hear one song for the rest of my life, I wouldn't mind that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 For me it's "Goodbye". If that's "acting", it's pretty damn convincing... (and do you notice the similarities between Nelson Riddle's writing here and Gil Evans'? Must be the Ravel in both of them...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 My gosh how could anyone hate the chairman, ol blue eyes, Frankie, the sultan of swat? Not sure about that last one. Wait, what? Oh yeah Sinatra is rad. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 My gosh how could anyone hate the chairman, ol blue eyes, Frankie, the sultan of swat? Not sure about that last one. That was Mark Knopfler... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 I do not understand this list. Nor do I understand why a magazine that has had no credibility for over twentyfive years would be read. The mysteries of life are many... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Vitus Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Is it really necessary to list Meet the Beatles together with With the Beatles and Please Please Me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 I do not understand this list. Nor do I understand why a magazine that has had no credibility for over twentyfive years would be read. I just like to pretend I can read! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Smae here. I can write, but I never learned to read.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Smae here. I can write, but I never learned to read.... Well, ne as weal, but I just red Playboy insted for the articles. Unfortunately, the prepositions kept getting in the way of the tits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulu se mama Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 i think a lot of criticisms are inaccurate. one has to take into consideration how the list was compiled. it was a collection of critics, musicians, and industry people. i am sure it was similar to the top 25 football/basketball polls. each person was probably asked to list their top 10 or 25. some of the records in the 400+ range might have only received a single vote. also, people tend to list the records that they return to time and again, and the records that were particularly influential on their tastes/career. that might explain the hits collections. also, if some people listed "meet the bealtes" and others listed "with the beatles" both would show up on the list somewhere. the perspective is a rock perspective, so you won't see lesser known jazz or blues records on this list, but just those records that might have made it to the larger audiences. i am not a hard rock fan, but i can admit that guns and roses were probably a pretty big influence today's hard rockers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregK Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 i am not a hard rock fan, but i can admit that guns and roses were probably a pretty big influence today's hard rockers. that doesn't make it good!!! certianly not one of the 500 best ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 I'm amazed that a magazine that cares only about the here and now would even bother to acknowledge many of the people that are on the list.They should have just cribbed from the Billboard hot 100's from the past five years to get their list because that's all they apparently care about(5 years ago-hmm! that might be ancient.) Everyone who reads that list will be pissed off by something that is excluded from it so I wouldn't worry about it too much. RS is a slavish and dedicated follower of fashion-fuck em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 RS is a slavish and dedicated follower of fashion-fuck em. Which reminds me; no Kinks until #231??? BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Ahem. Sorry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 RS is a slavish and dedicated follower of fashion-fuck em. Which reminds me; no Kinks until #231??? BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Ahem. Sorry... Moose, I salute you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 Yeah, and where the hell is this: ?????? - which is clearly one of the very best albums of it's kind. Heck, it's only rival is possibly this: . ( And not to be confused with this: - which certainly has it's moments, but ultimately doesn't quite cut it. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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