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Big Beat Steve Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Seems like you really left no stone unturned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Oh, there's more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Teasing the Korean Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I think it's so groovy now that people are finally getting this list together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Norman Granz sold Verve to MGM in December, 1960. So he would not have had any influence on what happened on the label in the 1960s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I'd like to think that some of these non-jazz recordings helped pay the bills but I can't imagine Alice or Linus contributing to the bottom line, but what do I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Some y'all might know this one, but it's news to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) On 2/24/2015 at 10:54 AM, Brad said: I'd like to think that some of these non-jazz recordings helped pay the bills but I can't imagine Alice or Linus contributing to the bottom line, but what do I know. But Tim Hardin probably did. (And I think Richie Havens was on Verve too.) Edited February 23, 2018 by medjuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Certainly The Mothers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 while over at UK Verve.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duaneiac Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Freddy Morgan, Mr. Banjo, produced by Spike Jones (in whose band Mr. Morgan was a featured player). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 14 hours ago, medjuck said: But Tim Hardin probably did. (And I think Richie Havens was on Verve too.) Don't think either of them were actually huge sellers (chartwise they didn't do great - the Hardin's did not chart at all, though maybe as back catalog they had better shelf life. And I'm sure Hardin sold a tad better than, say, Gil Melle or Alan Shorter). The Zappa's did sell, and they had some sizeable one-shot wonder success with the Hombres, Friend and Lover, and Janis Ian (who also was later much more successful at Columbia, though her early Verve stuff is much more interesting). They missed out letting Laura Nyro and Rare Earth get away after their first albums, but didn't know how to produce either of them as well as Columbia and Motown, The Verve Folkways/Forecast labels impact goes well beyond their sales. The Blues Project, Richie Havens, Tim Harden, Paupers albums should have sold more than they did. The Paupers had a chance to be big, but stiffed at Monterey.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 I'll bet that Getz sold better than any of the pop acts - the Mothers, Hardin, Ian, Blues Project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Getz was not afraid to make overtly commercial records, either. That was a part of who he was, so no harm, etc. I have two of his later such record, the Bacharach album and Didn't We. Neither are really interesting to me for "pure musical value", but neither of them suck either. And I'm sure that they sold well enough and/or got enough airplay, relative to the times, which were brutal for jazz in general. I know there are those who poo-poo "popular appeal" and I totally get that, but otoh, if it were truly that easy, anybody/everybody could do it, and obviously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, JSngry said: Getz was not afraid to make overtly commercial records, either. That was a part of who he was, so no harm, etc. I have two of his later such record, the Bacharach album and Didn't We. Neither are really interesting to me for "pure musical value", but neither of them suck either. And I'm sure that they sold well enough and/or got enough airplay, relative to the times, which were brutal for jazz in general. I know there are those who poo-poo "popular appeal" and I totally get that, but otoh, if it were truly that easy, anybody/everybody could do it, and obviously... Understood. For instance, I think these are brilliant and (in their own way) groundbreaking. albums, even though totally "commercial". And these are two exceedingly talented musicians. Not that many people could have made them.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, felser said:  . The Paupers had a chance to be big, but stiffed at Monterey.  Wow. I didn't even know they'd played there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, paul secor said: I'll bet that Getz sold better than any of the pop acts - the Mothers, Hardin, Ian, Blues Project. I should have added Wes to that mention of Getz. It appears to me that jazz - whether pop influenced or not - outsold the straight pop acts on Verve - at least during the early to mid 60's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Possible exception for Righteous Brothers when they first came to the label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JSngry said: Possible exception for Righteous Brothers when they first came to the label. They only had one monster hit for the label, and never made a good album, but this sure was one for the ages. And they made other good records on Verve (especially "Go Ahead and Cry"), but popular taste moved on.  Edited February 23, 2018 by felser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 That first monster hit was their initial effort for Verve, and I'm sure that everybody involved thought that They Had Bottled Phil Spector So Here Comes The Money, but OOPS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 The thing about Soul and Inspiration was that Spector did not allow his books to be audited, so S and I was their first Certified Gold record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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