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Hollywood legend Bill McGlashan was great as Tom Polaris in the Celebrity Concubine series on Dumont, and then a decade later as Dr. Rodney Uvulalos in the Transfusion trilogy that dominated Venezuelan cinema.

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Do-gooder extraordinaire Elisabeth Meyer Kimmel, i.e. THE SAINT OF LA JOLLA - 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/college/kimmel-college-scam-268539

The 54-year-old Kimmel heads Midwest Television, a firm she inherited from her late father. Kimmel, who appears to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, last year sold TV and radio stations in San Diego for $325 million. The media executive and her husband Gregory are board members of a family charitable foundation with $27 million in assets.

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10 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

Only 2 or 3 actors (depending on whether you include Macy (and I think he probably should be included) allegedly involved

Jesus H. Christ do you have any clue what credits William H. Macy has?

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1 hour ago, Dmitry said:

Do-gooder extraordinaire Elisabeth Meyer Kimmel, i.e. THE SAINT OF LA JOLLA - 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/college/kimmel-college-scam-268539

The 54-year-old Kimmel heads Midwest Television, a firm she inherited from her late father. Kimmel, who appears to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, last year sold TV and radio stations in San Diego for $325 million. The media executive and her husband Gregory are board members of a family charitable foundation with $27 million in assets.

Yes, San Diego broadcast media owner = Hollywood.

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10 minutes ago, Dan Gould said:

Jesus H. Christ do you have any clue what credits William H. Macy has?

Dude, he's Frank Gallagher. Should we be surprised by anything he does?

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11 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

Only 2 or 3 actors (depending on whether you include Macy (and I think he probably should be included) allegedly involved (to use the vernacular of the press at this stage, since no one has been convicted yet), out of a total of 33 parents (specifically parents) have been indited, and a grand total of 50 incitements -- and suddenly this whole (justifiable) scandal is primarily because of "Hollywood do-gooders"??

(Or am I missing something -- are the rest of these people somehow connected to "Hollywood" -- ??)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_college_admissions_bribery_scandal#Indited_people

 

Participants in scandal[edit]

50 people have been charged as part of the ongoing investigations. Of these, 33 are parents of college applicants and nine were collegiate coaches.[30]

Notable indicted individuals include:

Indited people[edit]

  • William Rick Singer, purported college counselor, and author of self-help book for college admission. Singer is alleged to have organized and sold fraudelent college addmission services.[1][2]

Parents accused of paying for admission[edit]

Coaches accused of involvement[edit]

  • Jorge Salcedo, Major League Soccer player and UCLA coach[39]
  • Gordon Ernst, former Georgetown University tennis coach[40]
  • John Vandemoer, former Stanford University sailing coach[21]
  • Jovan Vavic, former University of Southern California water polo coach[21]

Other participants[edit]

  • Mark Riddell, a Harvard University alum and former director at IMG Academy. Riddell was employed by Singer to fraudulently take admission tests, impersonating the clients' children, and paid Educational Testing Service and ACT contractors to deliberately misadminister the tests.[14]
  • Olivia Jade Giannulli - Loughlin's daughter and Instagram influencer got into USC after her parents paid Singer. Olvia commented through Twitter that she didn't "care about anything" she was learning in college.[41][42]

  

Since you've invested serious time in in your post, I'll expand the Hollywood do-gooder list to anyone from the South California cocoon of non-profit board member wives, their gazillionaire husbands, and other glitterati. Criteria - have they ever stepped an a red carpet, and been asked "who are you wearing?". 

In other news - Jimmy needs a new keyboard. :D

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49 minutes ago, Dan Gould said:

Jesus H. Christ do you have any clue what credits William H. Macy has?

He wasn't indicted. He's clearly an actor. The only question is whether to include him in the list of those criminally involved. (And I think he probably should be charged, since apparently he was fully in on the entire scheme, along with his wife.)

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So somehow this seems to be turning into a cudgel (judging from an idiot spouting things on Fox) to attack “elitists,” liberals, “do-gooders,” and “people who hate Trump.” Call me when we start working up some indignation over the folks who’ve attacked universities and the education system repeatedly over the past few decades, consistently cut funding at the state and federal level, called for or enacted cuts in financial aid, made it easier for the private sector to rip off students (see Betsy DeVos and current administration), and in general have made it much harder for average people to send their kids to college—that is, when they haven’t devalued the concept altogether, or perpetuated the notion that people who do attend and graduate from college are part of the “elite.”  So yeah, this current story is certainly problematic, but it’s hardly the heart of the problem when it comes to access to higher education. 

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I am reminded of Alan Freed and the payola scandal.  It's OK to pay the company, but it's a scandal to pay the company's employee.

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12 hours ago, T.D. said:

If you want to bring politico-economics into it:

The U.S. College Admissions Scandal Is So Post-Soviet

:lol:

Moderators feel free to delete...

I read it, and I think the title is more interesting than the content. In  this case we are not dealing with the value placed on education to further someone's success later in life, like he describes in the 'good old boys' adage, but in education as a token indicator of wealth and prestige. Narcissistic parents view their children as an extension of themselves, and pony up to hundreds of thousands to circumvent the regular admissions process, imho akin to paying hundreds of thousands to plastic surgeons to circumvent the appearance of ageing. The difference is that having a nose job or a butt-job is legal and not frowned upon, and if these parents could openly pay for their children to attend college for way more than regular admission costs, they definitely would. They are just not wealthy enough to give a few million to donate to Yale and their kid is in by proxy, but they do have up to $500k to give someone with a proven track record of getting things done. That's why seeing that Kimmel lady on the list is weird. For her, and a couple of other really-really wealthy individuals it could be just proverbial greed. She was gonna save a couple of million...didn't quite work out.

 

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33 minutes ago, ghost of miles said:

So somehow this seems to be turning into a cudgel (judging from an idiot spouting things on Fox) to attack “elitists,” liberals, “do-gooders,” and “people who hate Trump.” Call me when we start working up some indignation over the folks who’ve attacked universities and the education system repeatedly over the past few decades, consistently cut funding at the state and federal level, called for or enacted cuts in financial aid, made it easier for the private sector to rip off students (see Betsy DeVos and current administration), and in general have made it much harder for average people to send their kids to college—that is, when they haven’t devalued the concept altogether, or perpetuated the notion that people who do attend and graduate from college are part of the “elite.”  So yeah, this current story is certainly problematic, but it’s hardly the heart of the problem when it comes to access to higher education. 

Touché.

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Oh, so this IS a Fox thing. then? Funny, I had no idea but smelled it a mile away. Make it about a "them" as opposed to the individual thems, like they just can't help it because you know, that's what "that type" does.

Yawn.

 

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2 hours ago, ghost of miles said:

So somehow this seems to be turning into a cudgel (judging from an idiot spouting things on Fox) to attack “elitists,” liberals, “do-gooders,” and “people who hate Trump.” Call me when we start working up some indignation over the folks who’ve attacked universities and the education system repeatedly over the past few decades, consistently cut funding at the state and federal level, called for or enacted cuts in financial aid, made it easier for the private sector to rip off students (see Betsy DeVos and current administration), and in general have made it much harder for average people to send their kids to college—that is, when they haven’t devalued the concept altogether, or perpetuated the notion that people who do attend and graduate from college are part of the “elite.”  So yeah, this current story is certainly problematic, but it’s hardly the heart of the problem when it comes to access to higher education. 

No need to call you, just turn the channel. You can see the "indignation" of those other folks you mention every day and night on pretty much every other broadcast.

The story here is just about people that have the means to put their kids into any of the schools involved but apparently the kids did not have the grades and the parents the patience to do so. Their actions may have actually made it even harder for average people to send their kids to college. That should be what angers you, not what they are saying at Fox.

Calls for cuts in federal financial aid have been just that as funding for education has and continues to go up. in 2018 Trump's proposed budget was $59 billion +/- but he signed spending $70 billion. In 2019 it is $81 billion.

 

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2 hours ago, JSngry said:

Oh, so this IS a Fox thing. then? Funny, I had no idea but smelled it a mile away. Make it about a "them" as opposed to the individual thems, like they just can't help it because you know, that's what "that type" does.

Yawn.

 

Fox host pins college admissions scandal on people who hate Trump

29 minutes ago, catesta said:

No need to call you, just turn the channel. You can see the "indignation" of those other folks you mention every day and night on pretty much every other broadcast.

The story here is just about people that have the means to put their kids into any of the schools involved but apparently the kids did not have the grades and the parents the patience to do so. Their actions may have actually made it even harder for average people to send their kids to college. That should be what angers you, not what they are saying at Fox.

Calls for cuts in federal financial aid have been just that as funding for education has and continues to go up. in 2018 Trump's proposed budget was $59 billion +/- but he signed spending $70 billion. In 2019 it is $81 billion.

 

Yeah, I said the current story is problematic, but the way it's been posted and emphasized here as an attack on "Hollywood do-gooders" is waaaaayyy out of proportion to the problems of higher education access.  Why single out this particular scandal?  And yeah, the budget passed was no thanks to Trump, that's for sure.  There's far more going on and that HAS been going on to make "it even harder for average people to send their kids to college" than this.  When I first enrolled at IU, almost 80% of the school's funding came from the state.  Now it's down to 22%, 35 years later, but the state still wants to control how tuition rates are set, etc.  IU's just one of many state colleges that have had to try to attract out-of-state and foreign students, who pay much higher tuition rates, to help make up the difference.  Teachers at the lower levels still aren't paid adequately and school systems still aren't getting adequate funding, mostly because of the ideology that's best exemplified by Fox, Trump, Betsy DeVos, etc.  Why do you think we're seeing teacher strikes all over the country?  Here's a story right here in Indiana from earlier this week:  Hundreds of teachers rally for better pay and school funding

So you know, forgive me if I'm not seeing this as "College-gate" or what have you.  Yeah, it's obviously wrong and the people involved should be punished.  But "Hollywood do-gooders" (and how many of these folks, as others have pointed out, are even truly "Hollywood"?) aren't the primary reason why so many average Americans are struggling to get access to higher education.  Whatever the propaganda wing of the current administration and those who support it would have you think.  The whole problem of income inequality that ties into this another issue, one that's been getting worse for the past several decades, but if you think the current administration is doing anything to help that instead of worsen it, you're definitely watching a different channel than me.

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18 hours ago, Dmitry said:

Nope. 

It's precisely what I wrote - Hollywood do-gooders, i.e. the people who make movies and tv shows that teach everyone how to do good, yet, coincidentally, they themselves are full of shit. 

Speaking of full of shit, can you explain how Desperate Housewives, the show Huffman is most famous for, teaches everyone how to do good? 

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WTF does this have to do with Trump?! This payoff scheme has been going on for years. Projection, anyone?

 

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It's Massage Parlor Gate!!!  But apparently she's just another victim of the "people who hate Trump."  :rolleyes:

Plenty of nastiness there to delve into, involving sex slavery, human trafficking and the like, with some unpleasant underlying political implications.  I wouldn't start a topic about it, precisely because of the ways in which it can be politically construed or used.  But hey, there it is.  We gotta spread the indignation and anger around, y'know!

3 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

WTF does this have to do with Trump?! This payoff scheme has been going on for years. Projection, anyone?

 

Yeah, my thoughts exactly, but quoth the Fox host, they're "the people who hate Trump."  Plus attacking "Hollywood elites" has been part of the GOP playbook for decades now.  (Despite the fact that the only "Hollywood elite" president we've ever truly had was Ronald Reagan.)

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And BTW, this wasn't given a "-gate" nickname. IT's now being referred to as Operation Varsity Blues. 

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14 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

WTF does this have to do with Trump?!

about as much as it has to do with "Hollywood do-gooders", which is to say, not one damn thing.

Find me a group anywhere that doesn't have cheaters and hypocrites. Find me that group, and then tell me what method of transportation you used to get to that particular planet.

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U.S. college admissions scandal sparks $500 billion lawsuit

http://news.trust.org/item/20190314135743-dob9p

Jennifer Kay Toy, a former teacher in Oakland, California, said she believed her son Joshua was not admitted to some colleges, despite his 4.2 grade point average, because wealthy parents thought it was "ok to lie, cheat, steal and bribe their children's way into a good college."

I thought 4.0 is the top. 4.2...is it like 11 on the Spinal Tap scale?

3 minutes ago, JSngry said:

about as much as it has to do with "Hollywood do-gooders", which is to say, not one damn thing.

Find me a group anywhere that doesn't have cheaters and hypocrites. Find me that group, and then tell me what method of transportation you used to get to that particular planet.

Still stand by the Hollywood do-gooder label...until the full list of those involved comes around. If these three are an exception, will happily issue a formal mea culpa. 

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4 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

U.S. college admissions scandal sparks $500 billion lawsuit

http://news.trust.org/item/20190314135743-dob9p

Jennifer Kay Toy, a former teacher in Oakland, California, said she believed her son Joshua was not admitted to some colleges, despite his 4.2 grade point average, because wealthy parents thought it was "ok to lie, cheat, steal and bribe their children's way into a good college."

I thought 4.0 is the top. 4.2...is it like 11 on the Spinal Tap scale?

You get extra "points" for success in advanced placement courses. I have a granddaughter (a junior in high school) who has a grade point average well above 4.0!!

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12 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

 

Still stand by the Hollywood do-gooder label...until the full list of those involved comes around. If these three are an exception, will happily issue a formal mea culpa. 

What about if we find out three or more of them are Republican? Will you change the label to right wing evil-doers? 

8 minutes ago, jlhoots said:

You get extra "points" for success in advanced placement courses. I have a granddaughter (a junior in high school) who has a grade point average well above 4.0!!

Exactly. 

A friend of mine's son ended up with something like a 4.3 or 4.4 GPA. At the time I didn't realize it was possible either. 

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16 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

Still stand by the Hollywood do-gooder label...until the full list of those involved comes around. If these three are an exception, will happily issue a formal mea culpa. 

Will you be on the lookout for other lists from other scandals? Hope so. We're going to need names and labels, lest out disenchantment with the follies of humanity gets misdirected at, like, you know, the individuals themselves.

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You have my word, sir!

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