Steve Reynolds Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 the quintet from 1993 with Ernst Reijseger, Michael Moore, Wolter Wierbos & Mark Dresser - the long time working band of the 1990's. sublime, adventurous 54 minute suite - beyond category on hatART for those who don't know - and if only for the closing 16 minute section which brings all the power and glory of these master musicians to full flower - stunning - Michael Moore transcends his reputation as a coolish, restrained player with some of the most outrageously intense, yet collected alto saxophone playing of his wonderous recording history - and Hemingway absolutely unloads behind his kit - tremendous recorded sound - and the themes from all the preceding sections appear, dissapear and coalesce into something I still never think existed - even after all these years of loving this band - at one time this recording was the one that was a bit mystifying - today, it might be their best to these ears more later..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 if only it, and the rest of the Hats, was still in print.... hopefully the rumors about a box set are true. I can't remember if I have a copy of this one or not. If I do I'll post my thoughts later on this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I heard it a few years ago and remember liking it at the time, but I think it was way OOP even then. Just can't bring myself to pay $35 for a CD at this point, y'know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I heard it a few years ago and remember liking it at the time, but I think it was way OOP even then. Just can't bring myself to pay $35 for a CD at this point, y'know. ← The last two copies I saw sell on ebay went for $55 and $60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I can't remember if I have a copy of this one or not. ← "madness in bond ones" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I used to have this one but I did a trade. I'm a big fan of Hemingway's groups (saw this band live) and he's a great drummer. But I found this one a little disappointing when compared to the previous Hats - maybe that might have just been down to Hemingway overload though. Overall I prefer his "American" quartets and his associations with Ray Anderson. They communicate more directly with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 The last two copies I saw sell on ebay went for $55 and $60. ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I have this one--been a while since I've listened to it. I remember it as starting slowly but having a great finish. Saw them do it live in Toronto too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gslade Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I picked up all the Hemingway's long ago when Steve R. recommended them I think that was on the Jazz Central Station, Man awhile back. I do like all of them, however my favorite is still Demon Chaser. For me any music I return to often is music I value and all the Hemingway Hats are music I am still returning to. Would love to see one of his bands live. Thanks for the recommending these all those years ago Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 (edited) I checked and I don't have a copy of this one. Sorry that I can't contribute to the discussion. I'll give Demon Chaser and Special Detail listens in its honor. Edited June 30, 2005 by John B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I admire Hemingway - but have really been unable to listen to him since I heard him on a gig that required straight 4 timekeeping - and he could not do it, kept turning the beat around and drove the saxophonist crazy, as Hemingway did not even realize he was doing it - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I admire Hemingway - but have really been unable to listen to him since I heard him on a gig that required straight 4 timekeeping - and he could not do it, kept turning the beat around and drove the saxophonist crazy, as Hemingway did not even realize he was doing it - ← ?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 (edited) Like it a lot but I think that I like better the two previous on HAT ART, DOWN TO THE WIRE and, certainly DEMON CHASER. Never been too much in love with the jazz "suite", unless it comes from COLTRANE. Edited June 30, 2005 by P.L.M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I admire Hemingway - but have really been unable to listen to him since I heard him on a gig that required straight 4 timekeeping - and he could not do it, kept turning the beat around and drove the saxophonist crazy, as Hemingway did not even realize he was doing it - ← ?????????? ← Why the question marks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I admire Hemingway - but have really been unable to listen to him since I heard him on a gig that required straight 4 timekeeping - and he could not do it, kept turning the beat around and drove the saxophonist crazy, as Hemingway did not even realize he was doing it - ← Has Hemingway ever played with David Murray? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I admire Hemingway - but have really been unable to listen to him since I heard him on a gig that required straight 4 timekeeping - and he could not do it, kept turning the beat around and drove the saxophonist crazy, as Hemingway did not even realize he was doing it - ← ?????????? ← Why the question marks? ← Because I've heard HEMINGWAY playing straight 4 timekeeping before. So what ALLEN say was a bit, heu... surprising. Who was the saxophonist? May be he tries to drove him crazy for good? I've also lot difficulties to believe that HEMINGWAY "did not even realize he was doing it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 it was a bebop gig back in New Haven some years ago - they were playing standards - Hemingway was completely unaware, it was obvious - and you may have heard him play straight 4, but I'll bet it was not in standard form - if he is playing straight four over free improvising, you are much less likely to notice beat turnarounds, as there is no song form to return to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Is it possible that when Allen heard him "some years ago" in New Haven, he could not, but subsequently mastered the art of straight 4 by the time P.L.M. heard him? I suspect the New Haven time of Hemingway's career was fairly early on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 (edited) not that early - the true indicatior is that he had no idea he was doing it - this is something I could tell when I was 12 - I'm willing to bet, put him in a straight-ahead group configuration and he'll do the same thing again - Nate, not too long ago, had a post about some free playing that was quite sloppy - free is no excuse - as Ornette said, he knew he was on to something when he realized he could make a mistake - some of these guys have no idea - Edited July 1, 2005 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Well, he plays with good time on steel drums, that much I do know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 yeah, but he should buy his own - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Allen--oh, right, you must mean the writeup I did on Braxton's Charlie Parker Project (which doesn't as it happens feature Hemingway). I kind of like that disc but it's got a lot of really basic mistakes on it. -- Just listening to the new 20 Standards (Quartet) 2003 & again despite the good things on the discs there are some things that really make me cringe, like the muffed heads that seem to be cold readings from the fakebook. No, I've never heard Hemingway play standards in straight 4/4 time, so have no opinion on that matter. He can swing darn hard but it's always been a "time but no set metre" feeling situation I've heard (e.g. the opening to BassDrumBone's Hence the Reason). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 (edited) Has Hemingway ever played with David Murray? ← Edited July 1, 2005 by JohnS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Realtively recent Devil's Paradise on CleenFeed has a lotof straight time (as far as I can judge) played by Hemingway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 yeah, but he should buy his own - ← Always borrowing yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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