AllenLowe

Larry; he is not exactly in this vein, but I was wondering if you know the work of Jon-Erik Kellso? Great trumpet/cornetist, and an amazing plunger player. His groups have a Condon-ite feel, roughly speaking.

I used to call them "Mostly Other Musicians Do the Playing."

for what it's worth (and I think it's worth a lot) Larry Gushee told me he thought that Ernest Coycault, the trumpeter with Clay, probably gave a strong clue as to the sound of Buddy Bolden.

I was basically just goofing around, but I did mean it when I said how much I dislike the group.

this is the point where I say I hate this band, which is the worst kind of white-boy pseudo funk. And then someone else says "Allen is just jealous" and I answer fuck no, I'm still alive and I'm Artist of the Year. You're the one who's jealous. But they are so awful, jazz's version of bubblegum music, Muzak for someone stuck in the Elevator of Life. And fuck you, I'm not jealous I am old and secure and happy and breathing and only seeing double on occasion.

Lees was a bit of a dope, and yet he has some good profiles in his books. But sometimes I want to kick him, especially with his moronic ideas about modernism (which he decided was unsuitable for jazz).

the above is probably his best work. Larry: she wrote a Billie Holiday bio which is full of the usual academic b.s. but which has one particularly offensive section about the late session which she did with Jimmy Rowles (which came out on LP and CD with their conversations intact). Now, if you listen, and you know anything about Rowles and Billie, she loved his playing and they were good friends. But Griffin writes about how Rowles was a white man that Billie didn't trust and she kept him at a distance, and that race was a deep divider between the two, and that this was made clear by the recorded conversation. It's complete and utter b.s., not just based on this conversation but on everything else that we know. And yet, the conversation, if she was actually listening, is clearly one of two comrades who love and respect each other. I just can't abide her kind of academic obfuscation, her clear lack of understanding of that life, her typical academic tendency to build a small, square ideological box and try to fit a lot of large round objects into it

if Farah Jasmine Griffin thinks Maxine knows what she's doing, well, that's about all we need to know.

I see that I am in a small minority here. I just wanted to mention that when it comes to playing behind the beat, the most interesting player I ever heard was Dickey Wells. He was uncanny, even in his dotage when, on a good night, he could still blow. And his playing was amazingly "outside." Dick Katz talked about how Dickey would play a full step above the chords. Whereas I found Dexter's behind-the-beat playing mannered and...well, grating.

ah, Maxine. A friend of mine did a lot of work for her as a favor to help promote the Dexter book, I mean a lot. And as he told me "she didn't even give me a free damn book."

it's pretty much true of everything I have ever heard Dexter play after, say, 1970. And btw, one of his drummers once complained about playing with him, because the rhythm section never knew where the hell he was. Everything he does, to my ears, is so strangely mannered that it's like llstening to a 33 rpm record at 16.

I just posted in that old thread.

I’m coming a little bit late to the party, but a few things in this regard. It’s very possible that I am the one referred to as harshly disliking Dexter‘s playing. I mentioned it here some years ago and was reamed out, but I still stand by my sense that a lot of his playing is marred by a stoned-out sensibility that never quite catches up with itself. I have heard some late Dexter that is quite profound, but still I never listen to him for pleasure but only for some kind of historical instruction. As for Stitt, In person he could be quite intensive and personal, in his own way. I did have a very difficult encounter with him in Boston at the jazz workshop In the middle 1970s or so. I’m proud to say I told him off, because he was gratuitously nasty. But that’s another story. As for his gladiator-like ability to play in different keys, I have a feeling this is pretty much a myth. I knew Bobby Buster very well, and he told me this was all bullshit, that Stitt ended up playing in weird concert keys because he refused to transpose tunes when he switched horns; so he might play body and soul on the alto in the alto key of E flat, which would put it in concert G flat, just so he could play it in the same key as he did on tenor. Bobby was pretty adamant about this.

it must have been 1970 when I saw Mingus (or maybe 1969). Genet is/was a legendary French writer.

it's been a long time, but Slugs, IIRC, was small and narrow. I don't remember a kitchen. I saw Ornette there in transcendent form, and strangely enough, Jean Genet was sitting at a table on the night I saw Mingus.

from what I know I've always thought Getz was a sociopath. And among other things, Bill Evans' wife said that on tours Getz would hit on the wives of the other musicians. Truthfully, as many of you know, I've never liked his playing, without even knowing about his personality. To me tonally he sounds narcissistic, as though when he is playing he is gazing at himself in the mirror.

sorry I only like piano players who can play fast.

well, not really. He only knew that he saw her, and reported what he had heard about her life.

thanks again, everyone. I thought I might just fade away, but things are strangely busy, like this: https://jazztimes.com/features/profiles/allen-lowe-fights-on/

Francis Davis spotted her in Philadelphia - well, I don't remember, but it might be 20 years ago. Apparently, from what I was told, she married a rich guy and recovered from all the Getz crap. And is supposedly living in Philly.

as long as everyone is in a good mood, I will be doing an Indiegogo fundraiser in the next month. I am doing this to support three recording sessions in March and April, including one with Ken Peplowski, and the premium will include a copy of my upcoming CD, A Love Supine: Ascension into the Maelstrom, on ESP. So if you really feel sorry for me, stay tuned.

thanks, just saw it this morning.

Thanks… I just found out about this myself and am somewhat in a state of shock

Ken is doing pretty well, as a matter fact we’re going to record together in April. I’m not sure what the long-term thing is but he’s working hard and fighting.

thank you everyone. Back in April I really didn't think I would make it through the year, and your support is gratifying,