AllenLowe

actually, Whitman shot repeatedly - way more than the three times, as Oswald was supposed to have done - and it took place not over 6 seconds, as the assassination did, but over a much longer period of time - Henry Hurt interviewed Marines who had servied with Oswald - and who thought it was hilarious that he was alleged to have accomplished such a feat of marksmanship - as what they witnessed in the service indicated that he was a terrible and incompetent shooter -

well, I would assume that McAdams is sincere - unlike the way you've labeled me and many others here, I don't call him stupid for disagreeing with me - I only discuss my points of disagreement and I actually spend time with opposing arguments - McAdams has also, by the way, spent some time trying to prove that the Gulf of Tonkin was an actual attack by the North Vietnames - I guess that's another conspiracy debunked, huh? for all these years I thought it was a hyped event used by LBJ to justify the Vietnam war - but than I suppose you can tell us where the WMDs are in Iraq - once again, I point out that we are not just discussing the amount of time it took Oswald to fire the shots - but the necessity of hitting a moving target - with a rifle that had a scope that was MISALIGNED high and to the right - sorta like berigan ) for 40 years, trained sharpshooters have failed at this - with non-moving targets - weird - I guess Oswald just had a lucky day -

" It's not as though you haven't already gone that shameless route with me before, right? " uhh, Weitzen, can we have some proof? maybe some documentation? of course, if the shoe fits...

"Just think of it, one razor bump can result in a wrong number!" that's why I stopped shaving my butt -

hmmm...can I say that on Organissimo? maybe should wait until night when the kiddies are asleep -

"Well Allen, truth be told, a few of us have conspired to create this thread to keep you so busy posting here that you would have little time to post elsewhere. " hmmm....is this to allow Gould to do a JFK end run? and Chris - I think I know that girl - she sat on my face once -

geez, that's a lot of posts for a guy who's refusing to participate -

but I can take it boys -

look, Weizen it's as though I found something that you believed and was able to match with something said by some member of the Aryan Nation - this would be an unfair tactic - but I'd be happy to start a thread in which this is done -

well, no - but if you saw a thread that basically said, "let's ridicule anybody who believes a certain thing" and it was clear that that certain thing was directed at something for which you advocated - well, you might feel a big peeved -

hey boys, take it outside -

and Dan - that's good - read two of the worst books on the assassination - kind of like reading The Protocols of Zion and than talking about the Jews - that thing about the bullet having to behave in that way to pass through Connally- is this your analysis? or more CIA textbook stuff? because any forensics specialist will say bullets are unpredictable and there is no way that it "has" to behave." And besides, as I pointed out, we don't have the original bullet - as the cops who found it at the hospital have BOTH testified - the chain of evidence is hopelessly corrupted, so, as the lawyers like to say, the bullet used in evidence has no probative value. And are you aware that Connally himself testified, repeatedly, that he and JFK were hit by separate bullets? and did you see the Discovery Channell experiment, in which they attempted to duplicate the actions of the magic bullet? They took sharpshooters, used a STATIONERY target, re-did it multiple times - and came close but still could not duplicate the bullet's alleged path - and are you aware that, to this date, no sharpshooter has been able to duplicate Oswald's alleged shooting feat - they have managed to squeeze off enough rounds at stationery targets, WITHOUT AIMING - but these were staionary targets, and they did not duplicate the wounds. I repeat, no sharpshooter, shooting at non-moving targets, has ever duplicated Oswald's shooting "accomplishment." And the rifle he was using had a scope that was misaligned - high and to the right. Did you happen to know this? And as for Kennedy's head movements - if you have actually watched the Zapruder fulm, it moves backwards - and cite me ONE example of a head moving toward the direction in which it is shot - don't give me theories, give me examples, of which there are hundreds of the example of opposite movement, as in Newton's law of action and reaction. There are pictures of actual shootings and of test shootings - in EVERY one the body or object moves AWAY from the source of the shot - the so-called neuro-muscular theory is not applicable here, anyway, as it implies a complete splaying of limbs and muscles, none of which is occurring. As for the back of the head - have you seen the ENHANCED Zapruder fiim? You are working from multi-generational copies - the enhanced film is much clearer as to the deficit in the back of the head - and answer me again, are 26 witness in PArkland hospital, where JFK was taken, and who saw the hole at the back of the head, wrong? You seem to be avoiding this -

actually I've heard it attrributed to George Jessell -

sorry, will not particpate. Delusional thread, designed to discredit serious people by citing outlandish examples. Sort of a Reagan/anecdotal technique of debate: find a welfare guy driving a cadillac and so discredit all welfare guys. Also somewhat insulting.

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I'm glad we're amused by the idea of conspiracy - ever hear of the RICO statutes? Brought down the Mafia by proving - guess what? conspiracy, which is one of the most common of criminal enterprises - McAdams has misrepresented the medical evidence in a serious way, Berigan - you need to read Gary Aguilar's work - it's definitive - \ a question (and challenge) for Berigan and GOuld - I have read the Warren Report, Posner's book, all of McAdams - what pro-conspiracy stuff have you read? hmmmmm....just as I suspected - it's always great to reject things you have not actually read -

Berigan - I know McAdams well - we are email pals, I've read everything on his site - the difference between you and me and is that I've also read counter-arguments to everything he has posted - like the single bullet theory - were you aware that the two Dallas cops who handed the magic bullet over to evidence testified years later that the bullet which is now exhibited is NOT the bullet they found (BOTH cops testified to this independently); the bullet they found was a different jacket and shape of the kind NOT used in the alleged rifle - so boys don't talk to me until you've 1) actually read the Warren Report and 2) have actually read books by people who critique both the report and McAdams - start with Henry Hurt (a nice man, a Republican, who wrote a book and was convinced it was a conspiracy) than try Josiah Thompson (the most respected private investigator in the country) and than maybe Anthony Summers - as for those pics - thanks, Dan, as they show a bullet hitting Kennedy in the side of his head - of course there's a blowout in the back of the head - notice, Dan, that the picture only shows the front, so unless you can see around corners you won't see the back hole - but I suppose the 26 medical people at Parkland Hospital, who reported the hole in the back of the head were all lying (maybe conspiring to lie?) - also nice to see the shot pushing his head backwards - in spite of pseudo scientific testimony about a "jet effect" all tests of an object being shot push it in the OPPOSITE direction - and I suppose you missed this in the actual Zapruder film -

uh, Chris... guess what - I was at that same concert - young (16) and stoned out of my mind - so stoned I can barely remember anything -

actually, Tom, there are experts on the JFK assassaination: Paul Hoch, Josiah Thompson, Henry Hurt, Dick Russell, Phillip Bradford, Anthony Marsh, Philip Melanson, John Neman, Gary Aguilar, Sylvia Meagher, Peter Dale Scott - all of whom have done important and credible research and all of whom have found some frighteningly direct evidence - this is one of those subjects in which people make generalizations without much research or evidence - somewhat like jazz history, I have found. But there is a lot more out there than people generally know; I would not consider myself an expert but have been keeping tabs on current research since the 1970s; but I will let it go... as this is about Buckley - Larry's comparison to Coulter is apprpriate though I think she's even meaner than he was - I do remember some of Buckley's better lines - one to the effect that he'd rather be governed by the first 25 people listed in the Boston phone book than by the Board of Directors of Harvard University -

I thought Vicki Sue Robinson (Turn the Beat Around) was African American -

there is a ROunder CD of Junior Parker which has all the best stuff plus some additional Cotton/Hare - essential -

also, and I have heard this tape: "On November 9, 1963, a Miami police informant named William Somersett met with Joseph A. Milteer, a wealthy right-wing extremist who promptly began to outline the assassination of President Kennedy. Milteer was a leader of the arch-conservative National States Rights Party as well as a member of other groups such as the Congress of Freedom and the White Citizen's Council of Atlanta. Somersett had infiltrated the States Rights Party and secretly recorded Milteer's conversation. The tape, later turned over to Miami police, recorded Milteer as saying, "[During Kennedy's impending visit to Miami] You can bet your bottom dollar he is going to have a lot to say about the Cubans, there are so many of them here . . . The more bodyguards he has, the easier it is to get him . . . From an office building with a high-powered rifle . . . He's knows he's a marked man." the FBI also reported this but failed to inform the Secret Service -

I know that site Dan, you might try reading the researchers who have successfuly debunked every piece of info there - I know McAdams, who is a dedicated right-winger; as for that head shot, as you can clearly see in your picture, the missing parts are from an entry wound from the front and there is a deficit in the top and BACK of the head; a flap from the back has opened, and that is what you see on top and in back - a classic exit wound seen by EVERY doctor at the Dallas hospital - the secret service agent behind Kennedy (Roy Kellerman) heard TWO shots in rapid succession (which alone proves there were two shooters) and said he saw the bullet hit JFK in the front -you weren't there so I guess you know better as for JFK's politics, much more complicated than you can understand - and by the way it was Bobby who worked for Joe McCarthy, not JFK, so get it straight - JFK was pulling out of Vietnam (see Schlessinger, Galbraith, Sorenson, Newman et all); he was the first president to attempt to put real civilian controls on the military; and according tot he Church Committee, ordered the CIA to STOP the Castro assassination plots (he was negotiating with Castro at the moment of his death; had a rep in Paris meeting with a Cuban rep) - I have been corresponding with John Kenneth Galbraith's son, who has informed me that LBJ TOLD Galbraith that he was convinced JFK had been been murdered by Military Intelligence along with CIA ops - but hey, LBJ didn'tknow anything and neither did Galbraith - the difference between us is that I have read ALL of the Warren report plus the site you bookmarked - PLUS all of the assassination researchers - the whole case is much more complicated than you'll ever know unless you take the time to read opnions that differ from yours - too much work, I know -

well, Dan, his series of fawning columns, written from Chile, praising the great man Pinochet (who murdered at least 20,000 Chileans) canceled any chance thaat I might feel any real sympathy at his death - but it was only 20,000 - as for the assassination f JFK, where the hell you been for 30 years? Just because there are no verifiable LHO fingerprints on the weapon (the alleged prints were, during the House hearings, id'd as NOT being from Oswald), just because LHO worked for Military Intelligence (I have a friend who knew him when he was in the Marines and who knows this first-hand), just because EVERY witness at Parkland Hospital reported an entry wound in THE FRONT of JFKS's head, just because there is no credible witness to Oswald bringing the gun into the building (too big for the paper bag, which would not, anyway, have held all the parts to a disassembled rifle), just because at least 4 witness saw him in regular meetings with a right wing former FBI agent who was keeping tabs on Left wing pro-CUban groups (GUy Banister), just because his best friend in Dallas (George DeMohrenschildt) was a CIA asset, just because his wife's landlady was a CIA asset (Ruth Paine) - why would any of this indicate that Oswald wasn't simply a lone assassin?

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