David Ayers

Brotzmann/Lonberg-Hol, Brain of the Dog in Section GUSH, Norrkoping Plus some Globe Unity, and a bit of The Fall (oh and Stan the man, I admit it)

Not me - I'm a free user!

I downloaded Spotify this morning and, as far as I can tell so far, OOP or hard-to-find music doesn't seem to be their thing. There are a lot of compilation albums, which I normally never touch, but there's such a volume of stuff that I'm finding lots to listen to so far. Today I've heard Horace Silver, In Pursuit of the 27th Man, Clarke/Boland Big Band, More Smiles and Stan Getz, Complete Jazz Series 1946-1949, all new to me. Mind you, at the moment I think it's only available to us Yurpeans. Hell, yes there are OOP titles. Take a look for Howard McGhee for example. There are also not yet re-re-issued titles - check the 2009 version of Pretty Things.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was made for me. Thanks for the head's up. But.... how do they expect me to get through forty albums by Stan Kenton?? Still, at least the 5,992 Ellington tracks should be more or less manageable.

Glad I can get this for nothing on spotify along with the other new RVGs. I just discovered this (thanks to Bev.) I ain't never goin' back.

By the way, it isn't only the CD which has this error. Downloads (amazon, itunes) seem to have the wrong track times too. Why hasn't it been withdrawn from sale both as download and CD? Ever tried getting a refund for a faulty download? I also noticed that UK and US amazon had a different running order for the tracks, and that neither was the same as the CD (which is Side A, Side B, alt take, as you'd expect). Is this kind of thing common? I don't often buy downloads so I had never really noticed this was an issue. itunes had it right.

I just took a listen to both the 1987 McMaster and the Mosaic Select. If the drop-out is the one at about 4'09, just before the horns re-enter for the closing head, then it is not present in the Select. There is a kind of a glitch at around that point, which may be inherent in the original tapes, but it does not fade like the '87 does. Looking at the booklet for the Select, McMaster was also responsible for the transfer there, although it is presumably a fresh crack at it, as the sound is signigicantly fuller and punchier than the '87. Thanks for checking.

Is the Blue Rondo drop-out in the Mosaic Select?

I posted some time ago that some UK classical manufacturers were selling CDRs as CDs. The problem is that it creates distrust. Buyers who are happy with CDRs maybe don't need to worry, but others do, and in any case there is a question of price point, it seems to me. If you pay a collector's price for what turns out to be a CDR you are likely to feel miffed. Buyers who feel uncertain about what they are being offered will err on the side of caution. That said, if it is advertised as CD-R, no problem.

Hey! We *like* having stuff marketed at us. It gives us a sense of belonging.

Hey well at least they asked us - that's a welcome initiative, right? Like others I thought some of the questions showed a worrying lack of focus. Like the list of styles, where hard bop was missing as others have noted, and where I also felt the need to write 'improv' and 'free jazz' - maybe that is what they mean by 'progressive' but I never heard the styles I like called that. I suspect 'progressive' means something retrogressive but I don't really know... Anyone else have all the historic titles they listed and none of the ones from the last twenty years...?

Hey I just did this. One one page it required an answer even if you had none - I'm not active on facebook etc and the only chat room I use is this one which wasn't listed. I mentioned this board in three answers! I couldn't decide what was best album (dumb question since it might not be an 'album') so I went for Change of the Century as personally important for me in my early jazz days. Oh and I took the chance to criticise the RVG series, but that's just me. They asked about purchases in the last three months.... anyone else been, uh, a little more cautious recently...?

well well well...

I guess I must have come over all chewy when I wrote that thread title. Incidentally you must be gutted about the Connoisseur and RVG series re-reissuing all those titles that had already been re-issued in the CC series and calling them reissues. What etymological maroons. And those CCs were really re-reissues of the original 87/88/89 reissues. Hey they'd reissued them once - why bother doing it again? OK I've got to go and re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-[that's enough re-, ed.] fill my gas tank. See yas!

Certainly! As soon as I receive the disc for checking I'll write out the postal order....

Happy Birthday! (this comment should be taken as applying to last year as well as this).

I have the RVG Remaster and here are the times listed on the cover. Saturday and Sunday 10:25 Frankenstein 8:22 Saturday and Sunday alt. 8:32 Listening to it I hear part of Saturday and Sunday at the beginning of Frankenstein for around a minute, maybe a little less. Although I bought this album last Tuesday it coincided with my mother's visit for a week so I haven't had a chance to really hear it yet. I had never heard this album prior to this release and I've been anxiously waiting for its release since I chose to not buy the Mosaic Select because I already owned enough of it to make its purchase a bad financial decision. I don't think I have the receipt for this cd anymore so I guess I'll wait for a possible fix from Bluenote and bypass the record store I bought it at. Yeah interesting. So it's not the same as the RMcM but it is still the same kind of collossal error!

Hey! Don't all try to catch me out on the re-re-issued thang! You know what I mean. Those original BN CDs came and went, as did the CCs (which were a once-only, non-reorderable issue) and the Shorter is like a few others which weren't around for long and these days hard to find. Current reissues in US and Europe are well-marketed and stay in the catalogue much longer. So I am wondering why it hasn't had any form of reissue *since* the CC days (remember a lot of CCs have been on our collective wish list over the years and some still are). I'm not aware of any Japanese issue either. Shorter is such a big name I am a bit surprised. I've got mixed feelings myself about it but it is a special recording and, I would have thought, a must for Shorter fans and BN collectors. See this thread for more on CCs, for those not up-to-speed on these issues. PS there was Japanese issue - TOCJ 4363. A prize for anyone who has it. Send it to the address below for verification...

Of all the reissues which have been called for over the years this one rarely gets a mention and I'm trying to figure out why. It's Wayne Shorter right so surely there is *some* call for it? So why does no-one ask for it, and why don't they do it? Now the argument could be it is a bad record. But have people heard it? I've got the CC. Old timers will have the vinyl. Young whippersnappers will no doubt have leeched it off some site somehwere on the grounds they feel morally entitled to anything for free that they can't get in walmart for $4. So maybe y'all do know it and don't like it, or... what? OK it is rather 'cosmic' and hardly a key disk, but if it were Pharaoh Sanders it would have been out in Japan eight times by now. Clue me in - do the powers that be just see this as a dud? Do you?

What I'm thinking is that the masters were all discrete tapes. The errors on the RMcM resulted from the cues being put in the wrong place. That is, the material is all in the correct order so only the cues are wrong. On the RVG the material is not in the correct order, so it is no longer a matter of cue points, but of origin. Easily the most plausible explanation is that the digital RMcM transfers were used and simply reprocessed. If I m right then the dropping of the last few bars of Sat and Sun master, adding them to the start of Sat and Sun alt. will confirm as much. I don't have the RVG so I'd like someone to check it! Put it this way, if Sat and Sun master on the RVG clocks in at 10.13 or so that's the RMcM time. It should be more like 10.25. The RMcM alt. clocks at 8.47. Anyone? PS I check the timings as posted online and it seems that the master of Sat & Sun is the correct length. So the mystery deepens.

There's never been a box of that material has there? It needs 'the treatment'...

There is no coda. There *are* rests , but it is a straightforward 32 bar structure. Only the first eight bars of the final statement of the theme in the alt. of that tune are still attached.The rest joins Frankenstein, almost fifty seconds of music. That this mistake is identical to the previous version causes me to believe that the RMcM tapes were used, however treated. That is why I would like to know whether the other error which joins the past four bars of the master to the front of the alt. also occurs on the RVG. Does anyone care to check this? The only way it could go out like this if no-one listened to it.

My McMaster is the Collector's Choice edition. Back then you didn't return stuff like this since you knew it would never get redone and this was the best you were going to get. This time though maybe people do need to bring these back to the store. I think they will repress this title, but only if there is a stream of returns. The other question is how it happened. It seems very likely that they didn't use the master, which is already bad, but also that nobody actually listened to it before it went out - which sets a question mark against the whole series, really, and begins to explain why some of us find some of these (J)RVGs hard to listen to. I'm still interested to hear whether the errors on the RVG exactly match the two errors on the RMcM... PS FWIW the sound on the RMcM is pretty good - the cymbal on Ghost Town does leap out - so I wonder if they figured, you know...

Remember there are TWO errors on the old McMaster. The end of Saturday and Sunday is tacked on the beginning of the alt, and the end of the alt Sat and Sun is tacked on the beginning of Frankenstein. You feel me on this one? Ironically enough I was going to replace my McMaster with the RVG to get rid of this problem.... but, uhhhhh. Only the last four bars plus hold of the Sat and Sun master are carried over to the alt. Does this occur on the RVG? Then almost the whole restatement of the tune at the end of the alt is carried over to Frankenstein. questions questions

Uhh - well I did pick it up but on revisiting I find it no longer needs to be part of my life...