David Ayers

Don't they make more - and more easily - just selling the singles? There IS a price point issue with that box!

the formerly enterprising Trevor Manwaring, he passed away a year or two ago. Indeed. Chronoscope and Paratactile left a short but select list.

It may be that this album was originally eclipsed a little by the more radical sounding releases of the post-Tyner bands. It is also the case that the original LP is horrible sounding. Yes you can follow the music but the mastering/ pressing is poor. I think it also became quite hard to find for a while. This helps explain why it has never been very acclaimed - CD release has given it more of a lease of life than it originally had as an LP, I suspect.

I saw Gary Smith and Shoji Hano do their thing maybe 18 months/a year or so ago. Smith wasn't remotely in Hano's league that night. Hano played a scorcher, and seemed - although my Japanese is non-existent, and his English was rudimentary - to be a very nice guy indeed. Lucky you! I'm not yet convinced by Smith, although this record has a decent amount of variety. There is a similar (?) one with Smith and Hugh Hopper on bass, which I haven't heard. Edited to add that an amazon.co.uk seller is offering the Chronoscope CD currently for £1.95...

Spinning this one. Not my favorite Shoji Hano record so far . Another off-centre offering from the enterprising Trevor Manwaring on Chronoscope...

He got it about right, didn't he? That 'impressionist' put down is the trade mark John Litweiler jdugment on where so much post-free becomes, er, less interesting. I thought this was a pretty standard way of thinking.

That's because it's a terrific store that has an incredible selection of CDs (new and used) and vinyl of all genres. And very good prices. It's perhaps the only indie/used store that i go to where i buy more new than used. They also host gigs in the (small) car park and promote bands.

Don't know if you jumped yet but the Fitzwilliam set is going for a good price in the Universal sale - either at MDT or Europadisc.

We always talk about our likes and new purchases on here, but I also have an interest in dislikes and selling stuff. It seems negative to focus on this, but I think it all part of the cycle. Whose work do you used to really like and now can't stand? Whose work do you still like in theory but never listen to any more? And what records have you just got rid of because you couldn't care less about them any more? And finally, has your mind pushed these things out as part of a process of growth, and learning about music, or is it just boredom? Is there anything you still find as fascinating as you did (say) 20 years ago? Is purging part of learning? And what role does it play?

Lou's Records in Encinitas, CA seems to continue to buck these trends. By the way interest in music and interest in consuming music are different things. We went through a period when people were asked to define themselves by patterns of musical interest. That seems tedious now and I am glad we are out of it. I don't know how far the small number of us who pile up lots of records indicate the reality of 'interest' in music. In a related vein, I think that people should have read all sorts of things; that notion of mine is only tangentially related to the existence or otherwise of independent bookshops. Barely related at all in fact. In fact, absolutely unrelated. So - it all depends on how we think of 'interest' in music, and what we believe is at stake and in what way. PS In my experience most young people love music; whether they want to pile up musical commodities like nerds - well, that's for us greedy materialists, not for them... (they seem to be creatures of spirit, the little blighters! They'll learn.)

Hey and you started this darn thread! I realise it fell out of favor a bit on this board but I like it! At least as much a Hano record as a Brotzmann one. London's Sound 323 still list it on their website at £10.99 (which is where I got it in the early days of the thread) so it is an easy find this side of the pond for anyone still interested. Did anyone have a report on Hano's solo '48' on the same Improvised Music from Japan label? I seem to remember seeing a mention...

On the subject of Funny Rat (you remember that one...), has anybody worked out what tunes Brotzmann is playing? Track 2 is 'Song for Che' (Haden) - he play sit in full at the end. I'm wondering if anyone has identified others (they might just be his own, one-offs of course)?

... I wouldn't know who to blame...

Despite the 'controversy' I would have thought that the clue this is in some sense EP's session is given by the title.

80 or 81. A classic Metheny album, I love this. Your memory for dates is a lot better than mine...

The Australian issue (!!). Waiting time 3-4 weeks. Gave it a go. Lets see what happens.

It would be interesting to know the facts and figures, wouldn't it? I doubt whether those collector boxes sell that many... though I can see that a budget Beethoven or Mozart set is a different proposition to a Furtwangler or Fricsay set. Still, I'd like to see someone try to do this, not least, where there already has been a Mosaic set the editing job and paperwork could all be taken over so the cost of putting out a set might be a little lower... well, evidently not or it would be done...

What about all the classical collectors boxes that get put out though? In particular, the Original Masters series from Universal? These are like classical Mosaics, mostly material from the 50s that only collectors want. I imagine that big cost of issuing 50s/60s jazz is not artist royalties but composer royalties, and plainly the classical stuff can avoid this in many cases. But I would still like to know why the markets are perceived to be so different - I really question whether the model of the Original Masters series - a well edited series aimed at serious collectors - can't be applied to jazz. I think Universal copied Mosaic in the basic conception of this series, which is based on artist rather than repertoire, and unites recordings for a given label over a given period. There is something I'm missing obviously...

I memorized the booklets, and the music, then sold them. I kept the boxes though.

Well I won't be enjoying the splendid Shorty Rogers LP set just going on ebay for more than I wish to pay. Makes me reflect that (1) I wish Mosaic still did LPs other than Davis and (2) I wish they would relicense and reissue past sets - either that or I wish the license owner (where there is a single one) would reissue the stuff in the same collection though withourt expensive booklet/packaging. If classical sets can be issued in bargain boxes, and if Proper and the like have shown there is a market, why don't jazz license holders get in on the act? The ebay prices speak for themselves - I think there is a missed opportunity. Moan moan moan.

Fingers crossed! I'll certainly be an 'early adopter' on this one!

If the box set story is true, that's great. Ornette has released fewer records than he might, and as I've said before I think that has been a mistake. His choice - if he'd issued them, we would have bought them. This box helps. Let's hope Ornette can be satisfied on the $$$ front otherwise the whole project may be stalled. Discussion of this set started about five years ago and I thought had run into the ground - so I am not holding my breath. The Harkit release died the death and I can only guess that the reason was money (in contrast the Rollins releases from Harkit kept coming - so it CAN be done, apparently).

I drew Italy in the office sweepstake - so I am glad they won! I'll be on the champagne tonight! They had an easy route to the final - Ghana, USA, Czech Republic, Australia, Ukraine - so were comparatively untested and had a day's extra rest. I found the group stage of the competition fun, the knock out stage boring (I fell asleep through the whole final and only woke up for the Zidane foul aftermath). France went out looking like they blew it even more than England did - Zidane's red puts Rooney's into perspective, though at least their penalties were not as weak minded and duff as England's. Once you get to knockout stage, this competition is about your country winning, not about the 'beautiful game' which they are always trying to sell you. Once your country is out, there isn't a lot to get into, not now that the order of the day is negative/defensive play often followed by dire extra time and penalties you couldn't care less about if you are neutral.

Uh... not that I'm not fond of it or anything... but I think I could find it in me to sell my copy for as little as $699.99... Shipping extra - don't worry, I wouldn't dream of gouging anyone for shipping.

The listing has been withdrawn. Pity.