David Ayers

Oh! Are you from Bradford?

As true now as it ever was...

I see that six Braxton Aristas are slated for digital reissue on amazon. Not before time! Hopefully also on streaming services.

Much of it on straight alto - maybe a bit confining.

I still say just push down on the centre.

There's blame on both sides.

That would be the cash handed over to those who have retired by those who can never retire.

This is a revealing interview with Gergiev, about Mahler: https://www.gramophone.co.uk/feature/mahlers-symphony-no-7-by-valery-gergiev

You'd better hope it comes to netflix!

Seem to remember you didn't want to pay the £16 to get in...

It looks good of course, but I also think people like to know the stories of their city. After all, you can't show people photographs on the radio...

A few of the original series about to appear on vinyl: https://www.amazon.fr/s/ref=sr_st_date-desc-rank?keywords=Emarcy&rh=n%3A301062%2Ck%3AEmarcy&qid=1501006908&__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅZÕÑ&sort=date-desc-rank

Very nice! Do you think maybe you underestimated sales to people who just love their city? Or just love an attractive book?

The pressing of Crisis was not that great so maybe a remastering will be welcome. Ornette at 12 I can take or leave but it's a bonus.

I've owned the LPs since forever but even I will buy this.

He could call them. If, er, you know, he has phone privileges...

Well the difference is the massive flow of money to classical which gives you e.g. The Juilliard or the Walt Disney Concert Hall, and the attempt to replicate that for jazz, which exists of course, but... I think that is the place to look, not just the streaming data.

I can only apologise. I checked and it has definitely gone...

I don't have time to spell out an answer but - to state it quickly - if these figures put jazz and classical on a par in terms of this measure, that needs to be set against our sense of how these two musics (although jazz confusing conflates once-popular song, various idiomatic forms, and improv) fare overall, institutionally and across all lifeworld parameters. So a few days ago I was listening to a Birtwistle premiere at the Proms, Barenboim conducting, Royal Albert Hall fullish (4000+). not the first outing for this work which Barenboim had premiered in Berlin. The concert can be streamed on audio or tv from the BBC for a month. The work required a gigantic orchestra by any standards. So plenty of money, interest and availability, and symbolic kudos. And plenty of folks there on the day to hear. But not on the streaming services. Next week I will be at a posh opera venue. Invariably sold-out, everybody dressed up, fine dining, picnicking and whatnot. And maybe there will eventually be a DVD or broadcast. Again, not on streaming but loads of cash and people, and no sense that this is a struggling sector. So the streaming data might look the same for jazz and classical but my own sense anyway is that the two areas are not very comparable, in terms of consumption but also in terms of social support and perceived legitimacy.

Sold my copy of Koncepts recently - if I'd known you wanted it I'd have given you it. It is only 'of interest' so don't pay too much.

I don't really know what streaming figures mean in relation to 'popularity' or overall sector revenues etc., or even the overall dimension of existence and practice of any particular genre of music or of music as such. Because on this board we are into historical recordings we tend to have a high estimate of the meaning and purpose of recordings. We also remember when for popular music seven figure 'album sales' were a measure of something. I think on this one our starting optic might be a bit skewed.

Like I said, four of them littered the cut-out bins for years. Nearly all of this music is streamable in one form or another.

No someone else said 'whiners'. You. and I are on the same page, that this collection isn't a priority for either of us. i don't know why it is negativity not to repurchase this music but anyone who skipped it for the forty years it was easy to find was not being negative.

Wow. So anyone who doesn't rebuy at premium price mostly long-familiar music which has been around for decades on LP and CD is a 'whiner'? Since this music really has been available for decades, why do some people need to wait for it to be an official Mosaic before they are interested in it? It's good they are catching up to where the rest of us were a few decades ago but then also - the whiners have moved on...