Jim R

Oh "new posts" wasn't good enough for you? Hrumph! On my system, "New Posts" at AAJ doesn't even operate the same (or as well) as it does here, let alone like T.A.T. I've talked to MIke about it, but he thought it might have to wait for the next v-bulletin (or whatever it's called) software upgrade. T.A.T. rules.

I'm not sure what I mean, but I think it has to do with the way I'm posting on this thread. At least I'm padding my post count... I'm still languishing in the land of "Supa Groover"...

You don't read enough of this board. But seriously, what prompted this thread? I've never confused those two, despite the aforementioned "oos" factor. Rooster is always (okay, not always) talking about Andrew Hill, or mid-late 60's Blue Note artists; Jazzmoose... well... ... Jazzmoose is kind of like thelil at Jazz Corner- he basically just goes around delivering missing punch lines.

Just to clarify... JSngry and jazzbo are "smart guys". The "wise guy" from Texas is actually Big Al...

The piano player might sound like Rowles, in fact, but the song is not You Are Too Beautiful, in my opinion (I've just tried a couple of different versions, and it looks like a different piece). Luca You gotta love it- a person who doesn't peek at the discussion before he states his case!

The antidote is to keep hummin' "You belong to me"! I think you're right with the Mose suggestion, BTW. I tried some googling too, and couldn't believe how few jazz versions there are of that tune! I don't go back quite that far, but I think it was a pretty big hit back in the 40's/50's... for Jo Stafford as well as Patty Page, I believe (maybe one of the board's really old farts will fill us in. ). I'm loving this Mose Allison version more each time I spin it. There's an artist I've not only neglected, but consciously, and for too long. I've always "liked" what I've heard from him (usually the vocal stuff), but somehow have never been motivated to purchase his recordings. This experience will change that. And since it's Ray's fault, I'm going to ask him to chip in 10% on every Mose Allison CD I buy.

Mike and couw, I don't know yet who is playing on Disc 1, track 6, but I'm afraid you're leading yourselves astray if you think the song is "You Are Too Beautiful". I'm close to being certain that the song is "You Belong To Me". Unless there is more than one song with the title of "You Are Too Beautiful", I'm not sure why you are still entertaining that as a possibility (unless Ray put a different recording on your discs? ). Trust me on this one. B)

I thought you were 46...!? ..... Sorry. I know I'm stereotyping here, but being that I'm 48, this just does not compute for me. But then I pretty much turned my back on "rock" after about 1974... Anyway, at least you've got your head on straight now!

Thanks Tom. Better late than never! I got over it a long time ago, BTW.

Ahhhh.... I finally have (I think) some time to sit down and go through Disc 2. I sampled it yesterday and got too carried away grooving to this to even think about analyzing it. B) One thing did occur to me, though, in terms of analysis. Despite spending several years after high school (and the eclectic mix of things I listened to then as a result of peer influences) listening to R&B and even moreso, blues, I never really explored and studied R&B as extensively as I could/should have before getting into jazz. Once I got into jazz, I spent a lot less time listening to blues, and almost completely forgot about classic R&B. I've been regretting it for years, but somehow I never manage to find the time and the re$ource$ to get into it. Hearing bits and pieces of it from time to time is probably as good or better, though. The element of surprise. B) 1. Hit That Jive, Jack. Slim Gaillard? What a fantastic sound on this. I could listen to that guitar all day! I gotta get me more of this shit. 2. Open The Door, Richard. Not sure I've ever heard this version... couldn't tell you who. 3. Now's The Time. A VERY well known alto saxophonist and his band of merry men. 4. The Hucklebuck ? (instrumental). Don't know who. 5. The Hucklebuck! Quintessential R&B sound. Don't know who. 6. ? Nice down home vamp. Sounds familiar, but...? 7. Reminds me of Louis Jordan, but...? GREAT (unfamiliar) tune. 8. Cadillac Boogie. Don't know who. 9. Hmm... something a bit more modern... ? Sonny could lick all them cats...? 10. C Jam Blues... live... and somebody's clownin. 11. Lady Be Good (Boogie). 12. Piano boogie...? 13. You ain't got no money, ain't got no use for you... another one with a GREAT sound. Somebody was using some pretty decent equipment to record this "chick". 14. Wow, cool. Sounds old and modern at the same time. You can almost hear a story unfolding on this, Anyway, I'm a dumbass in this dept., I'm afraid. 15. Moody's Mood For Love... not King Pleasure, is it? "Ernie Freeman you can come on in..." there's a good clue... which went RIGHT over my head. B) 16. Trouble In Mind. Don't know who... don't really care for his sound. 17. Slim Gaillard again? Flat Foot Floogie 18. Undecided. Slam Stewart? and... ? I should know this 19. Sounds to me like Howlin' Wolf. I never really warmed up to Wolf. 20. ANOTHER on with a great classic R&B vibe. "I'm looped"? Never heard this before in my life, which tells me (and you) that I've lived too sheltered an existence! 21. See # 20. This one's almost TOO stupid, though. Hmmm... did I hear a reference to "Big Jay" (McNeely) in there? 22. Okay, a piano feature... still bluesy, but a little more toward the jazzy side. Interesting to hear this juxtaposed with the straight R&B material. 23. ....? No ideas on this one. A relatively dull romp, IMO. 24. I think I hate this one. Tom Waits? An aging Fozzie Bear? Does nothing for me. I guess the lyrics would be sorta funny, if not for having to listen to that voice... 25. Well, I DISTINCTLY heard somebody say "Big Jay McNeely" that time! Too bad... I don't dig Big Jay McNeely at all. A BIG thank you, Mr. Ray! I really enjoyed this disc.

I'll second that. Welcome, Gary!

Having done a BF test already myself, I understand what Mike is talking about. Not only did I have a few regular board members fail to respond, I even had requests for discs from a couple of people I'd never heard of- and haven't heard of since! At any rate, I also think Dan makes good sense (he told me the same thing when we discussed this privately following BFT #3). Maybe the best approach is to be "vocal" about it on all the BFT threads, just to at least remind everybody what the basic standards are for considerate and respectful behavior. Just my 3 cents (adjusted for inflation).

Have a great birthday, Chuck.

My conclusion is that there shouldn't be any confusion about this. Seriously, there's no trick going on here. What is played after the announcement that the tune is going to be "St. Louis Blues" is the introduction (verse / same as middle section of the tune) to... "St. Louis Blues". Yes, there is a similarity in the opening notes, but if you compare the two closely, it's not exact enough to cause this much confusion. If anybody is still confused, try singing the words ("Summertime, and the living is easy", versus "St. Louis woman, with her diamnond rings"). The "Summertime" lyrics don't work here.

Do we have to? I've heard the name, but I don't think I've heard him sing. Did he do an album with Doris Monteiro?

He was also very good in his later years as a frequent surprise guest on Letterman. A great subtle wit, with classic comedic timing and delivery. I'll miss him. RIP Mr. Randall.

Count BASIE !! I also like (in general) my B-3 stuff cranked up pretty good. I like the way Jimmy Smith bites at higher volumes. I think that actually started back before I got into straight ahead jazz, with players like Chester Thompson (Tower Of Power), Greg Rolie with Santana, Geoff Palmer (Sons Of Champlin), Lonnie Jordan (WAR), Brian Auger's Oblivion Express, Steve Winwood, etc. Bill Doggett, too! Back in that same era, when I was in high school, we used to crank up Les McCann & Eddie Harris' classic SWISS MOVEMENT (especially "compared to what"). Also The Crusaders- "Put It Where You Want It". Ah, memories. Sarah Vaughan's version of "I'll Never Be The Same" from THE LONELY HOURS (on CD as part of THE BENNY CARTER SESSIONS; and also in the Mosaic set).... ..... Sarah Vaughan, cranked? Try it- it works!

Marcus, yeah, I have both the CD and the VHS video of RIO REVISITED. Wonderful show, especially to see and hear Gal Costa performing with Jobim's band. I bought TOM CANTA VINICIUS / AO VIVO immediately upon its release. This was when I really woke up to the artistry of the Morelenbaums (Paula-vocals; and Jaques-cello, for those who may not know). They were part of the Banda Nova, of course, but that was a larger ensemble. This CD provided a great opportunity to hear them in a smaller group. I'm also a very big fan of Danilo Caymmi, who also contributes to this recording. It IS a great CD- very intimate, well recorded, and Jobim expressing his love for his old partner with some beautiful renditions. Highly recommended. Marcus, do you happen to know anything about the current status of the Lumiar label? After Almir Chediak's tragic death last year, I've wondered if someone will keep the label (and his vision) alive.

Got my discs today- thanks Ray. I've had a chance to listen to most of disc 1, and here are some first impressions: 1. After much analysis, I'm going to say this was St. Louis Blues (where's the "pat on the back" smiley when I really need it?) Beyond that, I have no clue. 2. Interesting combination of reggae rhythm with almost a trad jazz feel. Not my thing. 3. This sounds to me like Gil Scott Heron. I don't really know his work (not a fan), but I do recognize him. Interesting lyrics... I'll have to go back and check it out again. 4. I like this quite a bit... don't know who it is, but the sound of the ensemble and the writing combine to remind me a little bit of the "classical side" of Antonio Carlos Jobim, and the group that's currently performing his work in that style, Morelenbaum2/Sakamoto (that's not a guess, I'm just saying it reminds me of that). I'll be interested to see who/what this is. 5. 6. Is that "You Belong To Me"? I don't have this version, and don't think I've ever heard it. Pretty nice. 7. 8. "Baltimore Oriole", a Hoagy Carmichael tune. I have NO idea who is singing on this... ??? 9. 10. I should know this... I know I own it. That's Johnny Smith on guitar. I could go look this up, but I'll admit right now that I can't name it. 11. I Got Plenty Of No Idea Who Is Performing This. 12. 13. This one sounds to me like Shirley Horn. I've heard this before, but don't own it. A live recording... shouldn't be too hard to figure out with some research. What strikes me is that for Shirley, this thing moves along at 100 mph!! I wonder how old this recording is... doesn't sound that old, but I thought she had been doing the sssssssssssssllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww delivery thing for years and years... ? 14. 15. 16. Some of the ones I left blank are not my cup o' tea, some I'm just clueless about right now, and a few I haven't really had time to analyze. More tomorrow, I hope. Thanks again, Ray!

Going to PM you.

I know I'm late with this, but I still can't get over that finish. I agree with Pop. There's just no way Fischer did all that in .4 seconds. Had to be an error by the timer, IMO. You can't catch the ball (AND move a few feet with it like that before releasing it) in .4 seconds. PQ is right- the Spurs should have fouled him as soon as the ball got to his hands.

BTW, had he just played something by Burrell? Or... could it have been a Kessel recording? I know YOU know the difference, but perhaps if you weren't paying close attention at the time...

H.Z., I have a feeling that the announcer was confusing Burrell and Kessel. I can't really explain it, but I've had friends and acquaintances (guys who aren't guitar fanatics) confuse those two on several occasions. I've heard several people refer to the (Kessel's) unfortunate stroke when I bring up Burrell's name. Sometimes I wonder if it's a dyslexia thing... B.K. / K.B... At any rate, I hope and pray that Burrell is doing fine.

If anybody ever runs across any of these (or preferably all of these), grab 'em (Jobim Songbooks on the Lumiar label): <- If anybody can see these two images, let me know... ? One of the best ways for fans of Jobim's music to get more familiar with some great modern Brazilian artists (and veterans too) while marveling at the scope of Jobim's compositional output. This 2-CD set (also on Lumiar) is dedicated to instrumental interpretations, and is equally as good: A bit of a random recommendation in some ways, but I was listening to these today and couldn't resist.

Hmm... just found this when I went to the D'Andrea website: This intriguing set features pianist Franco D'Andrea and his quartet playing 11 songs by Antonio Carlos Jobim, but not as bossa novas. Although some of the songs are quite famous, D'Andrea deconstructs them, turning them into post-bop explorations and stripping them of the Brazilian rhythms. He is joined by altoist Andrea Ayace (who is slightly reminiscent of Lee Konitz in spots), bassist Aldo Mella, and drummer Alex Rolle on very different versions of such songs as "Corcovado," "The Girl From Ipanema," "How Insensitive," and "Dindi." Listeners with an open mind toward the rich Jobim melodies will find this set to be of strong interest. Scott Yanow, All Musica Guide I try to keep an open mind, but I've heard similar things before that really didn't work for me (such as Victor Assis Brasil's "Jobim" album). At least not yet. Call me a purist. B)