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The above would have been the second post.. slow typer but I can't find them on the Fresh Sounds site.. I know of the Millman How are the others listed.. under Jazz Studio, or a specific artists name.. the Burns doesn't show up under his listings. Same goes for the Jazz Lab series Anybody got a way of pulling these up on the Fresf Sounds site?

I've gone on about these for many a thread. Especially Jazz Studio one. This is a typical Jam Session type set Joe Newman, Bennie Green,Pault Quinichette, Frank Foster, Hank Jones, Sir Johnathon Gasser ( Johnny Smith) Ed Jones, Kenny Clarke Tenderley. Let's Split if you like the Buck Clayton sets you'll like these They were recently released by Ocium as Let's Split The tracks are short for a CD, they were one track per side of an LP Ocium filled the CD out with two of Norman Granzs jams The rest of the Jazz Studio series departed from the jam session format and were more in the style of west Coast Jazz "experimental Jazz Jazz Studio 2 wasDon Fagerquist,Milt Bernhardt,John Graas,Herb Geller, Jimmy Giuffre,Marty Paich, Howaed Roberts, Curtis Counce, Larry Bunker Laura Here Come the Lions Paicheck Graas Point Darn that Dream Do it Again All musicians do not solo on every track Jazz Studio 3 Was a Graas led date, recorded with different combinations of the musicians involved Don Fagerquist, Gerry Mulligan, Johnh Graas, Marty Paich, Howard Roberts, Red Mitchell, Larry Bunker Mulliganesue 7/4 and Even a Mulligan " quartet from above, plays My Buddy Conte Candoli, John Graas, Zoot Sims, Charlie Mariano, Andre Preven, Howard Roberts, Red Mitchell,Larry Bunker Jazz selections from Symphony in F minor Sonata Allegro Scherzo then Rogeresque 12th st Rag without Zoot and Graas. Jazz Studio 4 was the Jack Millman set A set of different sessions featuring 24 different west coast / studio musicians in variuos group sizes. Too much variety in group size etc. for my one finger typing Milman was a trumpet player, composer.. I always feel that these sessions were funded by himself to promote his music and a bilities I did a thread on AAJ called " You Don't Know Jack" and will try to get a link These tracks were issued on a Fresh Sounds CD under Millman's name Jazz Studio 5 Was the Ralph Burns showcase Joe Newman, Jimmy Giuffre, Ralph Buffington ( fr hrn)Dave Schildkraut, Herbie Mann, Danny Bank, Ralph Burns,Milt Hinton, Osie Johnson, Bill Barber ( tuba) Cool Cat on a Hot Tin Roof What Am I Here For, Jazz Club USA I'll Be Around Royal Garden Blues Nocturne South Gonsales St. Parade Jazz Studio 6 was an usual one, it might not have been intended to be part of the series.. different artwork on the sleeve it was the David Amram, George Barrow,Arthur Phipps,Al harewood quartet This one I don't have, it's relatively rare. . I passed up a copy at a record show for $10.00.. the guy on the booth had left and I didnlt want to hang around, thinking I'd catch him next time around.. the album was really not that sought after..selling for $10.0 - $12 on Ebay... except it was featured in a recent Downbeat Vinyl Collector column and the most recent one on Ebay just sold for over $100 so much for the power of the press. The music, other than that on "1" is definitely for those interested in the west coast school of thought. It would be nice to have these in good CD issue, but generally the cost of Japanese issues ( plus I hate their LP style packaging) will probably not induce me to replace my CDr's at present. No doubt Ocium will offer additions to their reissue program.

Soon to be reissued by the real bastards.. verve Black Coffee, the original was an 8 tune 10" Lp this has been padded out by 4 extra tracks that were recorded to supplement the original LP when 12" became the standard vinyl format The 'new" tracks are good but the original 8 are absolute musts for Lee followers You get up tempo swingers My Heart Belongs to Daddy I've Got you Under My Skin I Didn't Know What Time Love me or Leave Me and sultry moody pieces Black Coffee A woman alone With the Blues Easy Living When the World was Young Her version of When the World sounds like she had already lived her life through, even though the album was the first recorded under her own name. There have been various Lee comps, titled Black Coffee, and songs from the album placed in others.. but I'm not sure if any give you all 8 songs. The quartet led by "Cootie Chesterfield".. yes I know who that is, makes this a solid jazz recording. The 12" album was released with " Sea Shells", which I think was her final Decca album on a British MCA 2 LPs one CD issue in 1998.. Amazon has new and used from about $10.0 Sea Shells is a bit of a strange one.. probably for Lee collectors only, but it does have the sexiest childrens song ever.. I Don't Want To Play In Your Yard

Regarding Thad Jones quoting PGTW on April In Paris.... I heard they had done MANY takes of the tune, and I'm sure Thad was trying to do something different each time on his solo. Out of the blue he plays the quote, and wouldn't you know it, that take ended up being the keeper. He was then obliged (I'm sure to his chagrin) to recreate it in subsequent live performances, and most anyone who plays the solo on that arrangement today plays that same quote. And it's no longer fresh or clever. One thing that's interesting is that many trumpet players don't know that it was Thad who originally did it. I think what makes this particular quote (and most quotes) seem a little tired is not the original effort, but the thousands of times it's been repeated since. As I said before, it's about being spontaneous. The effectiveness (and humor) fades with excessive repetition. BTW, isn't "stupid musician tricks" a regular segment on Letterman? You got there before me.. but the problem in this case is that " April" became a hit.. and everyone, except presumably we "knowlegable " Jazz fans wanted to hear Thad pop it in, just as much as the arrangement had to have the 'fake' finishes.. without these two aspects, Basie and April just don't seem quite right. If you have the Basie " Roulette" Live Mosaic, you can pull up an April track where obviously Thad is trying to dump the Weasel.. he quotes Frankie and Johnny.. it goes over like the proverbial lead balloon. Quotes can be great, clever and funny, but also dumb, silly and boring. Like most things in jazz.. all possibilities are there.

O.K but how about the Freshmen........

"elsewhere" has been updated.. would have been there 2 hours ago, but a friend came over and I got distracted.. think that's the word for it...

EKE.. I knew you would get the reference Francois.. O.K. I was thinking in terms of recordings where LA solos with the Orchestra..also not including the recordings with singers like Coot Grant etc. where the group was a small contingent from the FH Orchestra.. these are, I suspect outside the realm of Clunky's question about Henderson. If such recordings qualify, then the list seems to miss The Trixie Smith You've got to beat me Mining Camp Blues and Clara Smith recordings, Shipwrecked Court House My John which had Satch on them and Fletcher on piano. There may be others, but I have to admit there are more recordings of LA with Fletcher than my memory gave credit to.

Have you seen this I think you might like it.. she lists a lot of blues lyrics from Ma Rainey and Bessie Smith recordings. I'm not sure I get, or go along with all the " political" associations she makes, but it's an interesting addition to the library. It's showing up on the cut out shelves at the local cheap book, Bookstores for about $5-7.00

This is one of the problems that we have discussing the innovators in Jazz to newcomers to the scene. Your " Chicken Shack" example is exactly what happens. Someone creates something, others follow and to those who weren't in on the beginning, it all sounds relatively tame Wes is a good example.. when he started those octave solos everyone did the "wow" thing.. now there's people pulling our octave licks in their bedrooms on $99.00 Suires that they got for Christmas. ( well yeah they're probably trying to be Jimi.. but similar argument) I remember trying to play some Bird to a newcomer to jazz and express the importance of Bird in the scheme of things, but was told that nothing sounded original, He'd " heard it all before".. hell there's not many sax players not throwing in a bit of Bird somewhere.. even in TV commercials.. on top of which the recording quality just made the records ( probably a Dial or a Savoy) too hard to listen to. Ask the guy how old he is.. and how deep he's into the music.. I suspect both will reflect low numbers.

EKE covered this well.. I agree on the Classics they're fine.. but I started listening to Jazz when the main media was 78rpm, and a hand cranked record player.. so perhaps I'm more tolerant, especially when it's music fom thepre LP era. Classics is still the only way to "get it all".. except for alts.. then there's Neatwork as Chuck has pointed out. I like just about all of Hendersons recordings, there is always something interesting in the arrangements, and a great place to hear the development of Coleman Hawkins. Listing Pres as one of Henderson's musicians is a bit of a stretch.. he didn't last long due to Mrs. Henderson's tutorials Also this seems a bit of a stretch for a the title of a 3 CD set Louis with Fletcher Henderson (1924-25) 3-CD set Forte F-38001/2/3 They must be very short CDs if they only feature the recordings Satch did with Fletcher, ( kinda sounds like a Lonehill title ), but at the minimum I would think a solid 3CD set deserves to be in anyones collection.

Ok but they weren't VSP's but they were budget verves Buddy Rich & Gene Krupa, The Drum Battle verve 815 146 Ella Fitzgerald verve 815 147 The Coleman Hawkins Set verve 815 148 The Rarest Concerts verve 815 149 Bird & Pres Carnegie Hall 1949 verve 815 150 Norgran Blues verve 815 151 The Trumpet Battle 1952 verve 815 152 One O'Clock Jump 1953 verve 815 153 The Challenges 1954 verve 815 154 Blues in Chicago verve 815 155 my mind tells me I might have an Oscar Peterson set too. None of this was in the JATP box None has seen CD as far as I know ( usual Japanese disclaimer) Put together this would be a nice second JATP box as long as the packaging wasn't so stupid and verve didn't gouge us by putting it on 10 CDS 6 or 7 would probably suffice.. umless there is much unissued material.. which there should be,, These weren't 40 min concerts. I can pull the albums and give track / personnel details if anyone needs them. I know I don't have the Ella, but might have the Krupa / Rich.. in spite of the interminable drum solos.

Most of this stuff if not all ( the Brigette Bardot excepted) has I think only shown up on LP. The VSP sets. It certainly is time for the 10(?) LPs that came out on verve, and the Stockholm sets to be reissued via CD.. but I'd be interested in knowing what other than the BB, which was on a Herb Ellis CD, has seen digital issue.

Sorry.. I was still in the James / Krupa mode... the two threads seem to be running in the same direction. I didn't know the " Big Bands" had been dropped, though someone here did say that the Freddie Slack Select was a set of music that had been prepared for the Capitol set. I'm a bit, and always was, a bit ambivalent about what was going to be in the Capitol Big Band set.. Charle Barnet, Ray Anthony?.. a lot of music that in my Jazz world ( which I assure you is quite extensive) was a bit borderline to warrant a Mosaic. It will be interesting to see the response to the Slack, once it's released.. I am sure many Mosaic devotees will "rave" about it, but I'll bet that it's reception will border on being the Select version of the Hackett or the Four Freshman.

Granz didn't stop recording jam sessions for Verve, he just started giving the sessions names like Sittin' In, Jazz Giants of '58, Tour de Force, etc. Well I more or less agree with you Chuck, as I have these albums, but somehow to me at least, they seem to be a different sort of animal to the more "deliberate" jam session atmosphere of those under discussion in the upcoming set. Sittin In I like a lot.. Hawk, Getz and Paul Gonsalves... nice contrasting group of tenor players.

While this is listed in Lord as being a Granz Jam session, the small band line up would somehow make it less than the usual approach to these recordings. Also it was recorded three years after the last studio jam session. Granz semed to give up on those until his Pablo days Perhaps it doesn't exist anymore or I think it would have been in the complete verve Pres box, which did seem to be a serious attempt at a "Complete" Pres. The 5 disc approach would seem to be an attempt to have one recording session per disc.

Has to be the usual reason... Either the set has sold so well that the # 7500 is soon to go.. or the time limit is coming up... or.. perish the thought.. but could the feeding frenzy that develops when a set is put on the endangered list cause them to list sets that way to create a Pavlovian response.. Nah this is Mosaic... now if it were verve...........

This makes for a total of EIGHT unopened Mosaics from three months ago? Surprised to see this thread re surface... Just a point on unopened Mosaics. It seems lately their QC hasn't been as good as usual. I ordered a Select Paul Chambers for a friend, and the booklets were incorrect.. two for disc #2, missing disc booklet #3 Worse though, My Jackie McClean set.. I had single BN discs of this and it was a while before I realised that the mosaic had been sent with two discs #2.. Disc #3 was missing. By the time I contacted Mosaic, it was too late to get a replacement. A funny one from years ago was the Monk Black Lion.. the music was distinctly not Monk.. it turned out that the disc manufacturer had put Mosaic labels on some Erroll Garners ( I think they were Old Savoy recordings.. very bad sound). This had not happened to the whole Monk batch, just part of it.. Obviously Mosaic put it right.. but had I not checked the discs I might have been stuck up in Erroll's room.... Most of the serious errors like the recent Farmer / Golson set get caught and taken care of, but individual packaging errors like above can be overlooked if you don't inspect your sets. I would recommend checking your sets on reciept for errors such as these.

Or this one at Worlds Records Chronogical Classics none of the lists I've found give discographical details, but this one does give track listing and some idea of the musicians involved, if you click on the specific disc of interest.

Guess others were "simo posting" Couw's lis is correct, except Diz is absent on Jammin for Clef ( I got Rhythm) and Rose Room.. but is there for the other pieces recorded that day. Montg Are these on par in terms of quality with the Columbia Buck Clayton jam sessions?(the only comparison I have to go by) Not in my opinion, the Clayton's are more organised.. seems a dumb thing to say for a "Jam " session, but there is interplay, swapped choruses etc. in the Claytons, while the Granz's are mostly as I said above.. theme, solos, theme. However they are worth having, don't let this comment put you off. The musicians in the Granz offerering are obviously "bigger" stars than the Claytons. You might want to seek out the Ocium disc.. Lets Split which will give you Rose Room and Jammin' at Clef, combined with Jazz Studio one.. a smaller band.. Joe Newman, Bennie Green, Paul Quinicette, Frank Foster, Hank Jones, Johnny Smith, Ed Jones and Kenny Clarke playing Tenderley, Let's Split.. a much more satisfying set than much of the Granz's inspite of the players involved.

5cds is overdoing it a bit ( we've discussed this before) The music would fit onto 3cds.. There were four sessions in total, that were released as 9lps. Some of the tracks are short in time .. 8 or 11 mins, but each were issued as full lp sides. The first session had Charlie Shavers, Charlie Parker, Benny Carter, Johnny Hodges, Flip Phillips, Ben Webster, Oscar Peterson, Barney Kessel, Ray Brown and J.C. Heard This is the Funky Blues set that produce 4 tracks ( 3 pieces plus a ballad medeley) that has been reissued often in Charlie Parker compilations. Also recently on a Past Perfect Cd available from Daedalus for about $6.00 The second date. LP sessions 3 & 4 are commonly referred to as the Basie sets. Harry Edison, Buddy DeFranco, Willie Smith, Benny Carter, Waqrdell Gray, Stan Getz, Basie, Freddie Green, John Simmons and Buddy Rich Again 4 tracks one of which is again a Ballad set. Basie plays organ on one track and Arnold Ross joins in on piano. Basie sits out on the ballads leaving the piano to Ross Ocium put this out recently.. the first CD release ( Japanese disclaimer..) The next session produced four pieces plus another ballad set ( did Norman create that concept.. he certainly liked it..? Roy Eldridge, Johnny Hodges , Ben Webster, Illinois Jacquet, Flip Phillips, Lionel Hampyom, Oscar Peterson, Ray Brown and Buddy Rich do two tunes and then Dizzy Gillespie joins in for the rest Ocium put the tracks without Dizzy on a CD that they filled out with Jazz Studio One a great record but totaly unrelated to the Granz sets The last session Diz, Roy, Bill Harris, Buddy DeFranco, Flip Phillips with Oscar, Ray and Louis Bellson cut three pieces A long Stompin' at the Savoy , which was split into two pieces and issued as two sides of a single LP. The track however can comfortably be fit into the 20 mins that became something of a standard later. A British reissue of this track, re-spliced the parts together.. quite well.. I see by the verve list that it is offered in two parts.. I wonder if verve had the original tapes and are giving us an unedited performance, or are they just LPr'ing it here.. I hope not. the music is typical of JATP, but in a studio setting.. a bit more reseved than when an audience was present Tunes tend to be theme, strings of solos, theme.. little exchanges etc. Often not quite up to what one would expect from the participants, but worth having At the price.. i'e. the pre order price, it's not such a bad deal, especially if you don't own 1&2 ( the Parkers) already.. at the list price.. I'll wait to Ocium completes their series, although the verve booklet.. if there is one might be a pleasant thing to have.

Just to straighten this out. Tje original recordings were off mike in places etc, and Duke rerecorded some tracks in the studio for better sound reasons ( in most cases) and these were used on the original album. The new 2cd set was taken from VOA broadcast tapes that were found much later and you get the whole concert as recorded ( the only way to go for D&C) plus the studio tracks.

You should invest in theJSP.. ( I have all the Classics too), and I'm not particularily an Audiophile.. but the collection is first class, and the extra music is really worthwhile... I'll take all the Red I can get

EKE.. you should visit the other joint a bit more often The greatest recording debut.

These were originally made for the Douglas label ( I believe), but seem to be somehow in the " public domain" from the variety of bootlegs etc that have and do exist. Excellent Dolphy though and necessary if you are into Eric. I think there were 9 tracks in total from these sessions.. some of the issues collide with each other, and some erroniouslyclaim unissued tracks to be included that most often are Stormy Weather from a Mingus date, and some Chico Hamilton tracks. The latter sound way out of place when tacked onto the Iron Man / Music Matador sets.

According to Lord, the Muse was the only issue of this. Mine is on Muse, bought with split cover from a used bin after much searching for it. I was on a complete CDr CBBB mission at the time. I don't think it has ever been on CD, though there appears to be some activity in Europe with CBBB releases lately, maybe it will come.