mikeweil

Technically speaking, couldn't the issue of Cosmic Music on CRC be seen as a violation of the Impulse contract of Coltrane, even if he had initiated this session all by himself? If so, what was the purpose of an issue on a "Coltrane Recording Corporation" and not on Impulse? Expedience then would mean the avoidance of any legal struggle with Alice as Coltrane's legal heir?

I, personally, find it hard to separate the man (or woman) and the artist. Tastes too much like split personality to me - I think every attitude is, somehow, mirrored in the artistic output.

They think that they save a lot on costs by just pulling out an existing master tape and cover art and making a 1-to-1 re-release. Universal fired half of the personnel after fusing with Polygram, and has reduced it even more after that, so they'd have to hire some external reissue producer, who'd have to know about jazz, and cost money, and invest in studio time for edits etc. The new digital transfers are a routine job by now. Part of the blame goes to nostalgic fans that loathe bonus tracks in any form.

Autumn was on French Columbia CD COL 472622 2. Shock Treatment was on Koch Jazz CD KOC CD-8590. Electric Bath was on Columbia Legacy CD CK 65522. All other Columbia LPs of Don Ellis were never reissued on CD anywhere in the world, AFAIK. Some retailer told me it may have to do with the Ellis estate sitting on the publishing rights, making licensing for reissue difficult. Don Ellis at Fillmore and Tears of Joy are great! If you have them on vinyl, why bother?

In this case I guess we will have to wait for Alice's autobiography to clear things up. My speculation is that Coltrane's contract with Impulse was, of course, terminated by his passing, and judging from the short liner notes on the Impulse reissue of Cosmic Music announcing Alice Coltrane having become an Impulse recording artist in her own right by then, this may have taken some negotiations and her "private" release may have been an important agrument on her side: See, I can do it this way, if you don't cooperate ... because we know by now that the unreleased material probably went into the vaults at the Coltrane home and not at Impulse. Maybe she thought she could sell the record better with a combination of her new group and the former with her late husband. Since the two tracks by Alice's group appeared as bonus tracks on the Impulse CD reissue in very good sound, and Peace On Earth exists in both versions, chances are the original tape of Leo still exists - or it was indeed mixed up with one of the other versions recorded that year. Maybe the edits were the reason for Cuscuna not reissuing these tracks - maybe he still hoped to find the original tapes. It is the only material released on some Impulse LP in the 1960's or 1970's that has not seen a US CD reissue. "Replaced" does not necessarily mean "erased". Seems like it was a multi-track recording, and since, as I said before, the original tape of Peace On Earth still exists ... That prayer spoken by Coltrane and Sanders was used as an introduction to that track, BTW.

Bruyninckx lists these two tracks as being recorded at the Onyx Club in New York. He also lists Herbie Fields and Buster Bailey as playing clarinet on The Romp, and Byas and Webster on tenor, and no guitar at all. Bailey is out on Honeysuckle Rose, and Fields and Gordon on tenor. Gordon inherited Ben Webster's tenor sax and did some European recordings on it, BTW.

Source: David Wild's Wild Place Thanks to king ubu (feel hugged for this nice surprise) I was finally listening to Manifestation and Reverend King from this session and kick myself for selling the Jupiter Variation LP with the original version of Peace on Earth. Now I wonder why in all the world the four titles of the session have never been reissued on a single disc - 40 minutes is better than nothing - and if the original tape still exists in the Coltrane vaults. Ravi go searching! Sure would like to hear this!

You're welcome. But I thought being a Christian - and I feel to be one, even if I am not a member of any church orginization - includes love and respect for all in the world, including their beliefs. I do not intend to be cynical, but if salvation does not change your state as sinners, what is the use, if we do not accept responsibility for our own doings on earth. I finally got a copy of Cosmic Music, and although it's a posthumous cover design, it shows a collage of Jesus, a Far Eastern Buddha, an Indian Buddha, and an Egyptian sphinx, symbolizing the co-existence of religions. I am afraid I like this pan-theistic spirit a lot more than the claims for exclusivity of any religion for being the only true belief in the world. I firmly believe love, respect, and tolerance, to be a "crucial" part of the message of Jesus Christ. Insulting other religions could be a manifestation of evil, just as well. Consider how many wars this attitude has effected, and still does. Peace be with you, and all beings on earth. ----------------------------------------------------- Getting back to topic, when I listen to Coltrane playing his sheets of sounds and shrieks, they strike me by their sheer emotional power and expressive force - whereas with all younger players the same phrases leave me cold like technical exercises, like they think they might feel some of that intensity by playing this, not the other way round, like Coltrane did ...

As great as Wayne Shorter's tunes are, at least those from the 1960's, they are also very diversified, that would make it difficult. Herbie I love, he's one of my favourite jazz musicians, but the question here is about identifying a composition I never heard, and I doubt that. Our Blindfold Tests would be the appropriate testing ground!

It's been told told that they themselves couldn't either - at least a while after finishing the tunes.

.... seems they can do a lot of other things, at least in signatures. I don't feel offended, but see how someone, especially women, might feel that way. On the other hand, you can't judge a board community by just two members posting bouncing boobs or nude ladies - it's part of life, and it's a woman (supposedly) kicking her legs, so she should be the one to blame for exposing herself and giving men the opportunity to gaze at her ... well, she does it because she knows there are guys who like it and will pay for it ... it is a multi-faceted affair. Enjoying looking at a nude female body does not imply disrespect for women, IMHO. Avoiding things like this is not the solution. As long as it is not getting out of hand, it's okay with me. But like Claude, I find it somewhat distracting in the place of a signature.

Remember the story how Carlos Santana listened to Ascencion while on Acid and imagined flying over Africa? Some of that later stuff with experimental percussion is Coltrane's take on world music, in my ears. I love Kulu Se Mama, Juno Lewis is a magnificent addition to the band. OM is a litle weird. Well, it was the band on Acid .... I think Chuck Nessa nailed it pretty well when he said that it's "an unfortunate "entry point" for the uninitiated".

Of course I forgot some: B.B. King John McLaughlin (the revived Mahavishnu Orchestra) Al di Meola (forgettable) Chick Corea with Return To Forever (dtto.) Jimmy Smith with Kenny Burrell and Ed Thidpen among the great sidemen were: Billy Higgins Sam Jones Bob Berg Ralph Moore Daniel Humair Billy Hart David Williams Kirk Lightsey Rufus Reid Eddie Gladden Bobby Watson Christian Mc Bride Geoff Keezer Renee Rosnes Benny Green James Williams Mickey Roker Gene Harris Grady Tate Sonny Sharrock Steve Marcus ... I think I'm lucky to have seen so many.

Fresh Sound?! Michael Cuscuna should take care of this one!!! (Jubilee belonging to the Roulette group, which EMI in London controls.)

Oscar Peterson Herbie Mann Al Jarreau (twice) Herbie Hancock (3 times) Shakti Rahsaan Roland Kirk Joe Henderson (3 times) Michal Urbaniak Woody Shaw / Louis Hayes (twice) Marc Levin w. Mal Waldron Kenny Clarke / Francy Boland Big Band Charles Tolliver Bobby Hutcherson Abdullah Ibrahim (twice) Jack deJohnette's Directions Sam Rivers Dexter Gordon (twice) Stone Alliance (twice) Cedar Walton (4 times !!!) Weather Report (twice) Art Blakey (3 times) Double Image Charles McPherson Orgeon (twice) Egberto Gismonti Jan Garbarek George Coleman Dave Liebman (twice) Terumasa Hino Bill Hardman & Junior Cook Gil Evans Doug Hammond Benny Bailey Hannibal Marvin Peterson Johnny Griffin Max Roach Quartet Beaver Harris Joanne Brackeen Gary Burton Yusef Lateef Elvin Jones (three times) Abdullah Ibrahim & Randy Weston Jeremy Steig & Eddie Gomez Charlie Mariano Dusko Gojkovich Tony Williams Bennie Wallace Bill Evans Trio John Handy Airto Moreira & Flora Purim Andrew Cyrille David Friedman Miroslav Vitous (twice) Art Farmer Lester Bowie Eddie Harris (twice) Vocal Summit w. Jay Clayton, Bobby McFerrin, Lauren Newton, Jay Clayton, Jeanne Lee & Urszula Dudziak Dudu Pukwana Machito Tito Puente Mongo Santamaria Jane Ira Bloom (3 times) Hermeto Pascoal Stanley Clarke & Miroslav Vitous (bass duo!) Vienna Art Orchestra Ray Brown Trio Steve Coleman Dave Holland Klaus Weiss Carla Bley Sextet John Abercrombie Al Foster Michele Rosewoman (these are just the leaders...) and many local German jazz greats p.s. I have to admit I kept a list for some years .... Still would like to see: Sonny Rollins Missed: Duke Ellington Modern Jazz Quartet Miles Davis

Kenny Clarke - Francy Boland Big Band (Boland on electric piano, due to circumstances, which was too loud) - a volcano of a band! Sun Ra Arkestra (a little sloppy that evening) Vienna Art Orchestra Phillip Morris Superband (not super, but pretty good) Gil Evans (but that was a mini big band)

There were several years in the 1980's when I started, spent and ended the day with Horace Silver's records, and he never failed to brighten up my spirit when I was in a bad mood. Thanks a lot! I doubt wether I would place him among the top five jazz composers, maybe between five and ten, but he certainly is the top hard bop composer!

How about Wynton Marsalis for the title role (I doubt Roy Hargrove would get a haircut for the role ...) - ?

If you'd assemble a list of great jazz vocal solists, Jimmy Rushing, Joe Williams or Helen Humes are likely to score a place, but I doubt Al Hibbler or Betty Roché would make that list. I find them to be as individual and great as Basie's singers, but the totally different band concepts required a different type of singers. Just as the type of instrumental soloits with Basie was different - can you imagine Hodges in the Basie Band? BTW: How many were in both bands? I know Paul Gonsalves spent a short time with Basie before joining Ellington, but who else?

I respect Shrdlu as much as anybody here on the board, I benefitted from his generosity and am eternally grateful for making some rare item available to me, and he knows this. I am not afraid of any battle, and there's noone to win or loose - the divine light takes on many facets, and noone knew better than Coltrane, who accepted religious beliefs of any kind with infinite love and acceptance. But still, thanks for the warning ... B)

Yeah, I'm hep to it! A prime representant of the entertainment side of jazz. Thanks a lot for that jive list!!!

I think a little more respect towards Eastern religion is in order. I hear a lot of prejudice in your statement, and I am pretty sure you would not tolerate someone calling Christian religion "garbage". Coltrane's spiritual quest was one of deep sincerity, and it certainly gave him something - and a host of other people. Each man to his own beat of the drum. To call him blind borders on the arrogant.

Must have been among my first ten or twenty, too, back in the days of vinyl. Herbie was a much better musician than his reputation, and featured an enormous number of great players over the years.

Ubu, if you dig the George Russell Jazz Workshop, you'll flip over the Atlantic Tentet album. I will remedy that situation you're in at the next occasion