mikeweil

This one is at the very top of my list: Other favourites:

I have to admit I like that "Getz clone". He has one advantage: almost 40 years of experience of fusing jazz with Brazilian music, which Getz couldn't have. Getz never had a drummer that much cookin' on any of his bossa nova records, it was played cool then, but that new one is as hot as some samba dancers. Rhythmically, I found these Getz records much too restrained and cool. And I like that he's rhythmically more accurate with the theme. Brazilian music is much closer to specific rhythmic patterns, and if you take too many jazzy liberties, it moves away from its core pretty fast, which is okay from a jazz point of view, but unauthentic from a Brazilian point of view. Maybe I'm a little picky with these things since I've played Jobim with musicians from both parties and find the Brazilian much more exiting and grooving, rhythmically. When Getz played his first bossa nova, he had no idea about the music, and for my ears it shows, although his natural affinity for the music and the way he adapted to it are marvellous. Once you know the "precision" of authentic Brazilian grooves, too many jazz interpretations of it sound a little sloppy. I'm gonna get me that disc. I like both Getz and this, as much as I like both Lester Young AND Paul Quinichette. If we wouldn't know about Getz for some reason, this "clone" would sound fantastic to our ears, and if we're honest we must admit it's a damn hard thing to do to come that close. But I hear his own conception as well, I was skeptical form the first bars because he is rhythmically so much more accurate with the theme than Getz. I think it is a brilliant idea to incorporate that guitar/sax duet, a nice sidewink at the Getz/Raney connection. I like it a lot!

Am I right it is hopeless to ask for availability of this item?

Pat Patrick played in Mongo Santamaria's Band for several years, Bobby Capers or Hubert Laws was the other saxophonist, and they all doubled like wild, all playing alto, tenor, baritone and flute, so there is only one Patrick bari solo per LP. Same for the Riverside sessions he played on, he's on three tracks of the Frank Strozier "Long Night", three of Blue Mitchell's "A Sure Thing" and the like. Jimmy Heath's "Really Big" is another one where he played bari. On my quest for Patrick in the Bruyninckx disco I found some rare bird: "The Sensational Guitars of Dan and Dale" which are Danny Kalb and Steve Katz (the latter of Blood, Sweat & Tears fame). The band features Al Kooper (both guitarists were in his Blues Project) and SUN RA !!! on organ and Jimmy Owens, Tom McIntosh, Marshall Allen, John Gilmore and Pat Patrick as horn section!!! Now that should be something!!! Anybody heard this??? Recorded in 1966 for Tifton S-78002. The album is called "Batman and Robin" - the song titles are what you're afraid it will be after reading the album title. Temperley is great. He is featured on Benny Carter's sax ensemble CD on MusicMasters.

Bingo, it seems, Mr. Sangrey!!! I'm relieved that ....

I must admit I love 'em all: Serge Chaloff - Blue Serge is a desert island disc Cecil Payne - love his lightness, especially on Ray Crawford's Candid CD Harry Carney - he should have done more soloing in small groups Pepper Adams Gary Smulyan Ronnie Cuber Leo Parker Tate Houston (check out the Delmark Sir Charles Thompson sides!) Gil Mellé Two not yet mentioned: Pat Patrick (yeah!!!) Charles Davis (was disappointed when he turned to tenor, but he still plays bari and got a rave review in Jazz Times for his latest CD)

Exactly. I know a very good second hand jazz record dealer - unfortunately he had to go out of business for reasons of poor health - who got several large collections that way, and one of them had a complete selection of the Chronological Classics CDs. Jazz Is Beck, a German mail order shop, offered a subscription to these until recently, and quite a few jazz lovers didn't miss a single issue.

The Priester Page at Conduit Records has nice photos from the session:

relyles, thanks for that recommendation! Priester was my favourite trombonist from the first note I heard him play! His first record as a leader in 25 years? Not quite: Julian Priester & Sam Rivers: Hints On Light and Shadow - Postcards 1017, 1997 Quartett: Julian Priester/Jay Clayton/Jerry Granelli/Gary Peacock: No Secrets New Albion 017, 1988 He was a co-leader on these. Both are recommended.

Anything by Julian Priester or John Gilmore or Marshall Allen or Charles Davis. I dig that Walt Dickerson as well. One not yet mentioned: Pat Patrick. Did a stint with Mongo Santamaria's band, is one some Riverside LPs. Always good solos.

I have to admit I took a look at the Vince Guaraldi CD to confirm, but I was 100% sure about that anyway. Looked at the disco for the Winchester, he did only two other quartet sessions, the live recording at Newport 1958, which I just recently bought - it ain't that one - and the one with Ramsey Lewis on Argo that I don't know but find unlikely. The Dexter I knew right away - they faded some tracks because they didn't need more music for the soundtrack. I'm curious about some of the pianists - this is not the stuff I usually got out and buy!

I certainly would have done that ten years ago, but in recent years, with too many new purchases that I didn't listen to as thoroughly as I used to, I'm not so sure. I have that reputation among my friends and the musicians I play with, however: Once one of my drum students wanted to fool me at a party, asking me if I could find any LP on the spot. I said yes, and me named Kenny Dorham's "Quiet Kenny", which I only had on CD, and broke down when I went straight to the CD bin ... There was a track from an Eastern Rebellion CD that I have and love on the first Blindfold Test, which I didn't recognize, although it sounded familiar, at least. Something like this really bugs me, so I took my time with the new one, but still I didn't recognize Strozier, although I helped compile the Strozier disco on Noal Cohen's website - but to my excuse I hadn't heard that album. Will get it for sure, I dig saxophone section writing like this. And it bugs me that I didn't recognize Eddie Harris, 'cause he's one of my favourites, although I'm not familiar with all of his early VeeJay and Columbia albums. I played some tracks to a jazz guitar player with whom I had a TV gig in Brussels last night, I'm just back from the road, in time for breakfast, sleepy-eyed. He said it's definitely Jim Hall on track 7, and Barney Kessel on the solo guitar. And I'm just as puzzled as Jim about that Getz clone on track 8. I can't imagine Getz playing such a unison passage with a vocalist, he certainly could have handled it, but that was not his way.

No misunderstandings here. I DO enjoy it for sure. Fully agree with you on overall quality of the session as compared to Prestige's blowing session dates and Coltrane's playing on these!

Well you'd have to pass out silently in a corner - or an armchair in the Hackensack living room - while the guys pack up .....

Well, I thought we agreed on posting our guesses before taking a look at AMG's pages .... B) Benny Golson on track 5 sounds plausible to me. Heard him with the Messengers and on one or two Prestige Lps and was not moved that much, this is more to my liking. Eddie Who? One of my favourites - have almost all of his Atlantic stuff, but the VeeJay and Columbia albums I don't know that much. A relisten confirms it. Didn't know he did a bossa album. Jimmy Raney !!! a much harder attack than I'm used to from him. Lalo Schifrin - a man of many surprising traits. There is an album on Fresg Sound or Blue Moon with some of his early stuff (not all recorded under his name) that really kicks. Makes me wish for a Eddie Harris VeeJay Mosaic!!! Frank Strozier et al. on track 9? If this is correct, the Milestone CD moves up to the top five on my purchase list!!! These tenors always get me. I get mad when I don't recognize one of my favourites like Eddie Harris

A very nice blindfold test!!! Thanks a lot! What delights me is that there is an organissimo forums member with a distinct liking for jazz with a Brazilian flavor, 'cause half of the tracks were composed or played by Brazilians! Track 1: A smile of recognition was on my face after the first two bars: Vince Guaraldi, Monty Budwig and Colin Bailey playing their jazzy version of Luiz Bonfa's "Samba de Orfeu". This album always appeared to me as one of the more successful jazz versions of this tune, no wonder as Guaraldi was expert at Brazilian as well as Cuban music. I always enjoyed his playing with Cal Tjader's groups, and love his drummerless trios with Eddie Duran and Dean Reilly. Track 2: The vibraphone sound, which is the only one I know of that makes the sound bars sound like metal, not like glass as with most players, tells me this is Lem Winchester. Great talent who was on the scene for only 1 1/2 years, cutting ten fine sessions for Prestige. (There was a thread here on him recently.) Although I don't yet have it, this should be from "With Feeling", with Richard Wyands (who melts his own nice mixture of Red Garland and Tommy Flanagan in his solo - never heard these influences that clearly!), George Duvivier and Roy Haynes - they play a little more restrained than usual 'cuase it's a Moodsville album. I just assembled a Lem Winchester discography on my computer, much to my advantage here ... He was a inestimable loss for the jazz vibes, I always enjoyed his solos, he had a unique conception of the blues. Track 3: This has a vibe similar to that of the Miles Davis Quintet of the late 1950's, but the trumpeter definitely is not Miles. The tenor is Clifford Jordan, that laconic sound (that's what one critic fittingly called it) and certain phrases, and I'd say Wynton Kelly is on piano. Can't say more without using discographies, so I'll quit here. I like this one! Nice way the drummer sticks close to the beat, but can't tell who he is. Track 4: I like the bass player's beat, one of the few times where a pickup is of advantage to get this rhythmic attack across. I'd say it is the same guitarist overdubbing, or the second would have got a solo, their sound is similar. Don't know who it is, but the tune is "The Dolphin" by Brazilian pianist Luiz Eca (with "c" pronounced like "s"), whose virtuosity easily rivals that of the best jazz pianists. The original recording of the Tamba Four was played at half that tempo, which allows the beauty of the melody to unfold much better. This guitarist was probably more interested in the very well constructed chord changes of that tune, he plays nicely, but I would like to hear him play a ballad to tell if I really like him. This is a tune for the Brazilian repertoire of my band, thanks for reminding me of it! Track 5: I'm not sure about that tenor player, he reminded me a little of Stanley Turrentine's debut LP on Time, but that is not Stanley. Sounds a little like Barney Wilen as well, but ... the rhythm section is probably Wynton Kelly, Paul Chambers and Jimmy Cobb. Would like to hear more of this cat. Track 6: This is Tom Jobim's tune "O Morro" or "The Hill". The bassist has a great beat. I would say this is not a Latin pianist. (Oh my sakes when I'm wrong...) I like the bassist more than the pianist, I don't like it when they inflect too much blusiness or standard licks into a Brazilian tune, the style gets lost too easily with chord substitutions or if you take too many liberties with the rhythmic structure of the tune. Well, it's a matter of taste. Won't risk dropping names with this one, but would like to know who they are. Track 7: I think I have a vocal version of that tune somewhere, but can't recall the title or the singer. Nice lyrical pianist, ditto guitar player, but don't recognize either. I'm not a guitar lover, although I end up playing with them all the time! Track 8: That's great. The tenor has almost the tone of Getz, but plays more on the beat. The arrangement is the way I like it, with the tenor-vocal unisons and that contrapuntal impro of tenor and guitar. The drummer sounds like a Brazilian to me, pianist too. These guys understood the characteristic of Brazilian rhythm very well and don't mess with the rhythmical intricacies of the tune - Jobim's "Chega de Saudade". I'd buy that for sure! ***** Track 9: Again very nice, would buy that too! Alto sounds like Sonny Red Kyner to me, didn't he do an album for Riverside or Jazzland with a 3-sax frontline? Not sure about the tenor, Junior Cook? I'd say the baritone is Charles Davis, the light tone of Cecil Payne with the rhapsodic wails of Serge Chaloff, one of the underrated masters of that horn. Why aren't there more records with three or four saxes like that, it's such a great sound! Very good arrangement. A ***** record for me. Rhythm guys sound familiar, Lex Humphries on drums? I dig the way he plays that break on the snare before the closing theme. Track 10: Jim likes guitars, that's for sure. That's the old Brazilian warhorse, "Brazil". Not quite my cup of tea, but well done. He knows what he does. Track 11: I think I know that pianist, but again can't tell. Again a very good duet. Track 12: Grant Green is the guitarist, I'm sure. That combination of tenor, Grant Green, bossa nova rhythms and a cabasa in the rhythm section smells like one of Alfred Lion's strange excursions into Latin jazz fields. But the tenor does not sound like Quebec or Rouse, which Lion produced, but it's that formula. He has some Dexter Gordon touches. That pianist sure is funky! They cook very nicely, this is getting better than the Blue Note bossas. Track 13: "I Mean You" by Monk and Hawkins. I like the drummer best on this track, he cooks very nicely with a light touch. My experience with Monk tunes is not to mess with the rhythmic or chordal structure in any way, but this guitarist probably plays it from memory, 'cause the starts the main thematic phrase in bar five on "one" instead of the last eighth note of the previous bar - anticipated down beats are a very important part of this tune! He makes the same error with the first note of the introductory phrase. This abberation lessens the rhythmic momentum the tune. Otherwise this guitarist has a nice attack. But don't mess with Monk's tunes, please! Track 14: This sounds like Sarah Vaughan's take on Jobim's "Double Rainbow". Nicely done, but apart from the very early recordings and her late album "Crazy and mixed up" she never really got to me. Track 15: This is Dexter Gordon playing soprano sax, a complete tranistion of his tenor style to soprano. It's a pity he didn't record more on the instrument. This was on one of the two "Round Midnight" soundtrack albums, Freddie Hubbard, Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter and Billy Higgins are on that track if my memory serves me right. Track 16: "The Good Life". Have no idea who this is. Again a very beautiful way to end the Test, just like the previous ones. I would like to hear more of this record. I'm not too well informed in these maintream piano and guitar stylings. Thanks for the compilation, there are some great finds among them for me! And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, again: It's off to reading the others' answers!

The description on the Mosaic site says it has two unreleased tracks! Now which is the second? The biggest disappointment to me is that Michael Cuscuna more and more often regards his personal tastes as better than that of the fans and buyers that make his living! I start getting mad at this B) smiley, because he pops up every time you type (B) or (B), no matter if you want him or not!!!

The description on the Mosaic site says it has two unreleased tracks! Now which is the second? The biggest disappointment to me is that Michael Cuscuna more and more often regards his personal tastes as better than that of the fans and buyers that make his living!

Slightly off topic, but EMI France sold a limited number of Blue Note wrist watches about a year or two before the start of the Connoisseur series. You had to have a special connection to some record dealer to get one, they were practially sold before they hit the shops. I was lucky to get me one, but after five years it ticked it's last beat and turned out to be so cheaply made it was unrepairable!

Oh, the Driscoll dates .... guess I'll have to dig out the LPs. But overall there don't seem to be that many - and I don't mean organists that sing themselves.

Haven't heard it but find it a little inappropriate that a Van Morisson CD cover resembles the style of some of the old graphic Blue Note LP covers: But at least the album's title tells the truth

Perhaps I should have said "missing horn player" instead of "missing horn"! I don't miss the second voice, either, never did.

Of course it is an excellent session as it is, I love it!!! Coltrane plays more beautiful on this one than on any other date in the late fifties - but as beautiful as Dameron could write for two horns ..... just curious, you know

Philly Joe's great on that one!