mikeweil

That's an impressive list, of course! How did you do yours? Compiled it from an encyclopedia or is there a nice website to copy & paste it from? I dig 'em all, I have to say it again, but this mixture of swing, bebop and free in one decade fascinates me: Charlie Parker and Ornette Coleman. Anyone to list 1901-1910 and 1911-1919? I'm too lazy ...

Here's a better repro of the cover: My desert island baritone record!

Perhaps he had to prove to himself a normal child would be his ... (I know this is cynical, but I think he is nuts.)

Well, you list musicians born between 1890 (Jelly Roll Morton) and 1919, so the comparison does not quite apply. I think this one decade produced MORE musicians shaping the music, and the range of the music they practiced is much broader: from trad to free. And it reflects the attractivity a life as a jazz musician must have had for young cats growing up in the swing era. I enjoy these elders too, of course

Here's all that Lucky recorded during his first stay in Paris between February and May 1956: _________________________________________________________________ Emmett Berry (trumpet -1) Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone -2) Henri Renaud (piano -3) Benoit Quersin (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, February 22, 1956 Thin Ice -2 Thin Ice (alternate take) -2 Blues For Frank -1,3 Ducretet Thomson 460 V 219 Takin' Care O' Business -1,2,3 Takin' Care O' Business (alternate take) -1,2,3 A Minor Delight 1,2,3 Medley: Sophisticated Lady / These Foolish Things Ducretet Thomson 460 V 219 One Cool Night 1,2,3 - One Cool Night (alternate take) -1,2,3 All titles except the alternates on Ducretet Thomson (F) 250 V 024 and DRG/Swing SW 8404. Complete session except "Blues For Frank" on EMI 7243 539651 2. ____________________________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson with Gérard Pochonet & his Orchestra: Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Michel Hausser (vibraharp) Martial Solal (piano) Jean-Pierre Sasson (guitar) Pierre Michelot (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, March 2, 1956 56 V 5672 Tenderly 56 V 5673 I Can't Give You Anything But Love 56 V 5674 East Of The Sun 56 V 5675 I Cover The Waterfront 56 V 5676 My Funny Valentine 56 V 5677 Lullaby In Rhythm Complete session on Swing (F) LDM 30.030, Dawn DLP-1113, Biograph BLP-12061, Vogue 74321 40934 2. Some sources give March 12, 1956 as recording date. ____________________________________________________________________ Modern Jazz Group: Fred Gérard, Roger Guerin (trumpet) Benny Vasseur (trombone) Teddy Hameline (alto saxophone) Jean-Louis Chautemps, Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) William Boucaya (baritone saxophone) Henri Renaud (piano) Benoit Quersin (bass) Roger Paraboschi (drums) Paris, March 5, 1956 Souscription Marcel Le Fourreur G et B All titles on Club du Disque (F) LP 66, Universal 159 823-2, Royal LD-4003 ____________________________________________________________________ Modern Jazz Group: same personnel as before Paris, March 7, 1956 Influence Piano Mecca Meet Quincy Jones Complete session on Club du Disque (F) LP 66. All titles except "Piano Mecca" on Universal 159 823-2, Royal LD-4003 ____________________________________________________________________ Modern Jazz Group: Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Henri Renaud (piano) Benoit Quersin (bass) Roger Paraboschi (drums) Paris, March 7, 1956 The Man I Love There's No You Gone With The Wind Tight Squeeze All titles on Club du Disque (F) LP 66, Universal 159 823-2, Royal LD-4003 ____________________________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson with Gérard Pochonet & his Orchestra: Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Michel Hausser (vibraharp) Martial Solal (piano) Jean-Pierre Sasson (guitar) Benoit Quersin (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, March 14, 1956 56 V 5658 You Go To My Head 56 V 5659 Undecided 56 V 5660 Don't Blame Me 56 V 5661 Our Love Is Here To Stay 56 V 5662 But Not For Me 56 V 5663 Indian Summer Complete session on Swing (F) LDM 30.030, Dawn DLP-1113, Biograph BLP-12061, Vogue 74321 40934 2. ____________________________________________________________________ Jean-Pierre Sasson Quartet: Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Jean-Pierre Sasson (guitar) Paul Rovère (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, March 27, 1956 You Are My Dream Lucky Strikes My Love Supreme All titles on Columbia ESDF 1105, EMI 7243 539651 2 ____________________________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson & Gérard Dave Pochonet All Stars: Fernand Verstraete (trumpet) André Paquinet (trombone) Jo Hrasko (alto saxophone) Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Marcel Hrasko (baritone saxophone) Martial Solal (piano) Jean-Pierre Sasson (guitar) Benoit Quersin (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, March 29, 1956 56 V 5747 Once Upon A Time 56 V 5748 A Distant Sound 56 V 5749 A Sunkissed Rose 56 V 5750 Portrait of Django 56 V 5741 Theme For A Brown Rose 56 V 5742 Still Waters All titles on Swing LDM 30.039 Xanadu 204, Vogue 74321 55950 2. ____________________________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson, Guy Lafitte -1 (tenor saxophone) Martial Solal (piano) Benoit Quersin (bass) Roger Paraboschi (drums) Paris, April 5, 1956 7XCL5373 Passin' Time -1 7XCL5374 Nothin' But The Soul 7XCL5375 Why Weep -1 7XCL5376 To A Mornin' Sunrise -1 All titles on Columbia (F) FP 1083, DRG/Swing SW 8404, EMI 7243 539651 2 ____________________________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson & Gérard Dave Pochonet All Stars: Charles Verstraete (trombone -1) Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Michel de Villers (baritone saxophone -1) Martial Solal (piano) Jean-Pierre Sasson (guitar -1) Benoit Quersin (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, April 16, 1956 Facinating Blues -1 Lullaby Of The Leaves Let's Try Again -1 Stewing Up A Wig -1 All titles on Club Francais du Disque (F) LP 84, Jazz Anthology 30 JA 5215, Royal LD-4004. ____________________________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson & Gérard Dave Pochonet All Stars: Christian Bellest (trumpet) Charles Verstraete (trombone) Jo Hrasko (alto saxophone) Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Marcel Hrasko (baritone saxophone) Martial Solal (piano) Jean-Pierre Sasson (guitar) Benoit Quersin (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, April 17, 1956 56 V 5774 Quick As A Flash 56 V 5775 The Parisian Knight 56 V 5775 Street Scene 56 V 5776 Angel Eyes 56 V 5777 To You Dear One 56 V 5778 But Not For Tonight All titles on Swing LDM 30.039, Xanadu 204, Vogue 74321 55950 2. ____________________________________________________________________ Charles Verstraete (trombone -1) Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Martial Solal (piano) Benoit Quersin (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, April 18, 1956 CN1-LN Rainbow Inn -1, 2 CN2-E The World Awakes -1, 2 CN3-O Take Care Beware -1, 2 CN4-C My Heart Speaks -2 CN5-B Seeing Is Believing -1 CN6-B Yard Bird's Pet -1 All titles on Club des Amis du Disque CAM 11, CAD 3001 ____________________________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson, (tenor saxophone) Martial Solal (piano) Benoit Quersin (bass) Christian Garros (drums) Paris, April 20, 1956 You Move, You Lose Velvet Rain One Last Goodbye All titles on Columbia (F) FP 1083, DRG/Swing SW 8404, EMI 7243 539651 2 ____________________________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson & Gérard Dave Pochonet All Stars: Charles Verstraete (trombone -1) Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Michel de Villers (baritone saxophone -2) Martial Solal (piano) Benoit Quersin (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, May 11, 1956 CN7-C Fine And Lucky -1 CN8-C Ow -2 CN9-C What Is This Thing Called Love -1 CN10-B Time On My Hands -1 CN11-AB Everything Happens To Me -2 CN12-D Fine And Dandy -1, 2 All titles on Club des Amis du Disque CAM 11, CAD 3001 ______________________________________________________ Lucky Thompson & Gérard Dave Pochonet All Stars: Fernand Verstraete (trumpet -3) Charles Verstraete (trombone -1) Jo Hrasko (alto saxophone -1) Lucky Thompson (tenor saxophone) Michel de Villers (alto saxophone -4, baritone saxophone -1) Henri Renaud (piano) Jean-Pierre Sasson (guitar -2) Benoit Quersin (bass) Gérard "Dave" Pochonet (drums) Paris, May 11, 1956 I Should Care -3 One For The Boys And Us -2, 4 Home Free -1, 2, 3 Bluebird Blues 1, 2, 3 Easy Going 1, 2, 3 All titles on Club Francais du Disque (F) LP 84, Jazz Anthology 30 JA 5215, Royal LD-4004. _________________________________________________________ 10" LPs: Columbia FP 1083 Lucky Thompson Ducretet Thomson 250 V 024 Lucky Thompson - Thompson Plays For Thomson 12" LPs: Club du Disque LP 66 Modern Jazz Group Dawn DLP 1113 Lucky Thompson with the Gérard Pochonet Quartet DRG Swing SW 8404 Lucky Thompson - Paris 1956 Volume One Jazz Anthology 30 JA 5215 Lucky Thompson - Paris 1956 with Dave Pochonet All Stars Jazz Anthology/America 30 AM 6155 Lucky Thompson Royal LD-4003 Lucky Thompson In Paris Vol. 1 Royal LD-4004 Lucky Thompson In Paris Vol. 2 Swing LDM 30.030 Lucky Thompson Vol. 1 Vogue LDM 30.039 Lucky Thompson & Gérard Dave Pochonet All Stars Xanadu 204 Lucky Thompson - Brown Rose CDs: EMI 7243 539651 2 Lucky Thompson - Americans Swinging In Paris Universal 159 823-3 Lucky Thompson / Modern Jazz Group (Jazz in Paris, Vol. 28) Vogue 74321 40934 2 Lucky Thompson - The Complete Vogue Recordings Vol. 1 Vogue 74321 55950 2 Lucky Thompson - The Complete Vogue Recordings Vol. 2 ... and some 45rpm EPs of course, the remainder not among these LPs or CDs. __________________________________________ All but one of the various Club LPs have been reissued, one only on a Royal LP - that was another Fresh Sound outlet. I hope this clears it up. In May, 1956, Lucky returned to New York to participate in Stan Kenton's "Cuban Fire" sessions (he had played baritone in Kenton's orchestra on some European dates just before) and recorded several sessions with the likes of Milt Jackson, Louis Armstrong, Oscar Pettiford and Quincy Jones, as well as his second ABC Paramount LP. He was back in Paris in June, 1957 - this stay in Europe lasted until 1962. Any other Paris dates you might have heard of are from that later period, including the Kenny Clarke and Sammy Price dates that are on CD.

Rumpwinders? Siderollers? Caramba!

Great! Please announce where it will be printed! Questions that come to my mind: Why didn't Coltrane record any original material like with his single Blue Note LP? Publishing modalities? Was that a problem for anybody else? What was the relationship with Savoy? It was Yusef Lateef who recorded for Blue Note and Savoy on one weekend with the same band at RVG's. What was the most curious way he contracted an artist? Why didn't he record more Kenny Dorham? That Quiet Kenny is one of his most beautiful albums! What is the session he most vividly remembers? Besides the most successful: What were the greatest flops, and were they unexpected?

Strange mixture I have, as I replaced single components whenever I had the money (but never too much to spend) to upgrade or one broke down: Turntable: Thorens TD 160 (here's another one ) with a Grado Black cartridge (I intend to upgrade with another Grado soon, although this Black sounds better than any other more expensive model I had before. I had the connection cables replaced with thick copper cable many years ago - recommend this as the original Thorens connector cables are thin and not up to par with the quality of the turntable - I have this since the early 1970's.) CD player: Pioneer PD-S501 - I love those turntables style CD players. Disc rotation is more even, so less electronics to re-calculate reading errors is needed. Connected with Oehlbach cable to the: AMP: SONY TA-420 - not my first choice but affordable when the old one gave up. I miss a mono switch. Maybe I should use a separate preamp for the turntable as recommended above. Cassette-Tapedeck: Technics RS-AZ7 - but I rarely use it. Speakers: Some rare two-way with Styropor bass by Phonak in Stuttgart originally designed for audiological tests. They sound drier than most others, reveal the recording characteristics better than others I could compare with. Connected with thick copper cables, don't know the brand. I use a CD spray which improves imaging of the CDs in particular. Headphones: Koss UR-30.

Yeah, that's their problem - they probably don't have a remastering egineer knowing about the intricacies of jazz recording and mastering in the 1950's ff. My experience is that only that 20bit remastering series is done by them here, the remainder are just manufactured here (Germany, that is) from master tapes delivered by Fantasy in California. I never had any problems with these, only with those 20bit digipack remasters - they all sounded awful.

BTW - the CD od Lee Morgan's last Blue Note twofer had a Reggie Workman solo on musical saw edited out of the multi-track mix - you still can hear it faintly in the background. I liked this very much and was disappointed they didn't mention this edit on the CD liner - I kept my LPs.

My thoughts exactly. We could base our votes on the impressions we get from the discussions. I'd be ready to go early next year too, about March, if I'm realistic ...

This Spiegel set is still available from the Spiegel shop as well as from mail oder dealers like www.jpc.de, for the reasonable price of EURO 59,90.

Grado have cartridges from $ 40 upward that are excellent. My cheapo performs better than many models I had before that cost me four times as much.

A little too old, but great: John Klemmer's Nexus sessions from 1979, with Bob Magnussen and Carl Burnett, on Novus double LP - part iof it was on a RCA Novus CD.

Yes, on this CD from the Jazz in Paris series: Strangely, this omits one track of the LP, Piano Mecca, that was left off all subsequent issues. But, Clunky, this issue is listed in my discography, or do you need an update?

I based my first list on the revised edition of Feather's Encyclopedia and overlooked the Cohn entry; when I typed Sims, I said to myself "have to look up Cohn, but it was too late at night for my weary head to remember ... Now what do you all think about the characteristics of that birth decade?

I knew I'd omit someone important! I'll keep the list updated, thanks for corrections.

When I look at jazz musicians' birthdays, the diversity of artists born between 1920 and 1930 appears to me as between traditionalists with both legs in the swing camp, bebop pioneers, cool cats, hardbop heroes, studio staffmembers and freedom founders. A few examples: 1920 - Charlie Parker, *Dave Brubeck, Eddie Chamblee, *Clark Terry, Paul Gonsalves, George Duvivier, Jimmy Forrest, Gil Fuller, Don Lamond, John LaPorta, John Lewis, Shelly Manne, Jerome Richardson, Curly Russell, Britt Woodman 1921 - Harry Babasin, George Barnes, *Candido Camero, Buddy Collette, Eddie Lockjaw Davis, *Herb Ellis, Tal Farlow, Errol Garner, *Jimmy Giuffre, Wardell Gray, *Chico Hamilton, *Jon Hendricks, *Hans Koller, *Yusef Lateef, Monk Montgomery, Chico O'Farrill, Mary Osborne, Paul Quinichette, Nelson Riddle, Ernie Royal, *Tony Scott, *Billy Taylor, Julius Watkins 1922 - Manny Albam, Ralph Burns, Johnny Carisi, *Von Freeman, Johnny Hartman, *Illinois Jacquet, Duke Jordan, Peggy Lee, *Mundell Lowe, Carmen McRae, Charles Mingus, Joe Newman, Johnny Otis, *Cecil Payne, Oscar Pettiford, King Pleasure, Perez Prado, A.K. Salim, Buddy Stewart, Ralph Sutton, *Toots Thielemans, *Frank Wess, *Gerald Wiggins, Joe Wilder, Ernie Wilkins, Kai Winding 1923 - Serge Chaloff, *Buddy DeFranco Red Garland, Dexter Gordon, Bennie Green, Al Haig, *Percy Heath, Elmo Hope, Milt Jackson, Osie Johnson, Philly Joe Jones, Thad Jones, Barney Kessel, Ellis Larkins, *Charlie Mariano, Fats Navarro, Mel Powell, *George Russell, Idrees Sulieman, Wilbur Ware, Chuck Wayne, Jimmy Witherspoon 1924 - Joe Albany, *Louis Bellson, Brew Moore, *Lucky Thompson, Kenny Dorham, Teddy Edwards, *Terry Gibbs, Major Holley, Jay Jay Johnson, Tiny Kahn, *Dick Katz, Henry Mancini, Hal McKusick, Bud Powell, Shorty Rogers, Charlie Rouse, Sonny Stitt, Sarah Vaughan, George Wallington, Dinah Washington 1925 - Gene Ammons, Walter Bolden, Charlie Byrd, June Christy, Bob Cooper, Al Cohn, Gigi Gryce, Wilbur Harden, Jutta Hipp, Stan Levey, Johnny Mandel, Dodo Marmarosa, Wes Montgomery, *James Moody, Marty Paich, Leo Parker, Art Pepper, *Oscar Peterson, Nat Pierce, Tito Puente, Henri Renaud, *Max Roach, Sal Salvador, *Gunther Schuller, Sahib Shihab, Zoot Sims, *Jimmy Smith, Cal Tjader, Mel Tormé, George Wein, Sam Woodyard 1926 - Ray Brown, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Jimmy Cleveland, Ray Copeland, Curtis Counce, *Blossom Dearie, *Lou Donaldson, *Roy Haynes, *Jimmy Heath, Ernie Henry, Bobby Jaspar, Melba Liston, Billy Mitchell, Pony Poindexter, Frank Rosolino, *Fats Sadi, *Bud Shank, Herbie Steward, Mal Waldron, *Randy Weston 1927 - Ahmed Abdul-Malik, *Mose Allison, *Ernie Andrews, Walter Bishop, Ruby Braff, *Chris Connor, Sonny Criss, Allan Eager, Stan Getz, *Dick Hyman, *Elvin Jones, Connie Kay, Jimmy Knepper, *Lee Konitz, Warne Marsh, Gerry Mulligan, Gene Quill, Jimmy Raney, Red Rodney, Mongo Santamaria, Thornel Schwartz, *Doc Severinsen, *Martial Solal, René Thomas, Attila Zoller 1928 - Cannonball Adderley, *Larry Bunker, Frank Butler, *Teddy Charles, Kenny Drew, Art Farmer, Maynard Ferguson, *Frank Foster, Vernel Fournier, *Herb Geller, *Johnny Griffin, Vince Guaraldi, Hampton Hawes, Harold Land, *Lou Levy, *Junior Mance, *Albert Mangelsdorff, Cal Massey, *Joe Morello, Seldon Powell, Freddie Redd, Bill Russo, *Horace Silver, *Leroy Vinegar, Lem Winchester, *Jimmy Woode, *Richard Wyands 1929 - *Toshiko Akiyoshi, Chet Baker, *Ray Barretto, *Bob Brookmeyer, *Jimmy Cobb, Alan Dawson, Bill Evans, *Benny Golson, *Barry Harris, *Rolf Kühn, Mel Lewis, *Larance Marable, *Helen Merrill, Charles Moffett, Joe Pass, *Charli Persip, *André Previn, *Sonny Rollins, *Ed Shaughnessy 1930 - Pepper Adams, *David Amram, Clifford Brown, Betty Carter, *Ornette Coleman, Eddie Costa, Tommy Flanagan, *Friedrich Gulda, *Bill Henderson, *Paul Horn, *Ahmad Jamal, Richie Kamuca, *Abbey Lincoln, Herbie Mann, Sabu Martinez, Dave McKenna, Blue Mitchell, Hank Mobley, *Buddy Montgomery, Claus Ogerman, *Benny Powell, *Annie Ross * marks those who are still with us, AFAIK, please correct me, and additions to the list are welcome. For me this decade is somehow the history of jazz from traditional to free in a nutshell. It always strikes me John Coltrane and Ruby Braff were born only a year apart, or Charlie Mariano the same year as Fats Navarro ... What do y'all think?

I used to go to the forum front page and browse through all forums that interest me, but reading about "My assistant" introduced me top this little feature, and I will use it in the future. At last, a useful thread ...

It's a shame - they do not spend any money on serious reissues - just straight from the "original master tape". No looking into discographies or databases, it seems. I don't mind if they are digipacks, jewel cases or mini-LP cover, I'd even take naked CDs with downloadable artwork - just as long as they take care and include those bonus tracks released on obscure albums. What else was on that Pettiford tribute, BTW?

BTW, a new album recorded in Prague with his quintet and an orchestra is due out soon on Columbia, "Coral". I missed him playing in Prague only by a few days earlier this years.

This latin cat was born in Puerto Rico in 1968 and knows his horn. If you like one, you might as well get all of his six dates as a leader on Columbia: http://www.davidsanchezmusic.com/

I wonder why they didn't include any bonus material of the Time Out album, as they do with all the others. Take Five always sounded like there was a piano solo edited out, and if so, I'd love to hear the complete version.

Thanks, that's a bargain!

It is probably wishful thinking to expect they include it on the MPS CD reissue?