Aggie87

I think something like this would have been better - using a symbol that's identified worldwide with London.

Still looks like somebody doing something to somebody else!

Bulgarian Idol

Aside of the promo issue, my interest is in purchasing music legally. If artist's contracts are structured that way, as a consumer that's not my issue. Well, at least you're honest enough to admit that your concern for ethical behavior does not extend to artists' contracts. I sympathise with artists having to do this, if they want to have a contract with a label that forces them to issue promos. Even if they are self produced, like Organissimo, they issue promos. Part of the game and landscape. But it's out of my sphere of influence, so there's not much I can do about it individually. I know illegal downloading is part of the game and landscape too, I just don't care to participate in it, and think it's done far more harm on balance than good (at least for those of us who actually like to own physical copies of music). I think it's contributed to dwindling cd sales, which in turn reduces the number of artists that labels sign, promote, and issue recordings of, as well as reducing the demand for reissues of things I'd be interested in owning.

The technology now exists to this this same type of "borrowing" to take place online, which is exactly the point, as is that this same technology allows for outright theft as well as harmless borrowing. That the law/industry/establishment still has its head up its ass as to what to do about all this shows yet again how totally unprepared any of them were/are for the full implications of digital media. They simply saw it is an immediate sales boon. Well, hey, guess what. That ain't nowhere near all it is. As a Classic American, it is my birthright and moral obligation to respect any & every law, but only to the extent which it respects me. The difference is, it's not being controlled by anyone when it's done in an unlimited manner online, and by whomever desires to share or obtain those files. Also, when it's done online, people have the ability to simply take any and everything they want, for as long as they want. Effectively owning the content, without paying for it. Try doing that in a record store. You won't get out the door with a copy of the music, unless you're ok with theft.

Last saw the statue in 1984 - she's a beauty. I'd love to get back to Copenhagen as well, fascinating place.

I don't like using the Maltz Method, but I'm not sure how to really respond to you otherwise. That may be your issue, but not mine. I'm not making that comparison. I don't care to download music illegally. I'm not an evangelist about it, or at least I'm not trying to be (you asked me afterall). Aside of the promo issue, my interest is in purchasing music legally. If artist's contracts are structured that way, as a consumer that's not my issue. Listening to music in the store is an option in many stores. I don't have any problems with people listening to music like that. Not sure I get the point again. Oh yeah, trying before you buy. I don't have a problem with anyone listening to their friend's copy of a cd either. Borrowing is an every day thing. All I'm trying to do is what feels right to me. As are you and everyone else, I'm sure.

I don't burn copies of DVDs or download them, if that's what you're sort of getting at. And sure I've watched movies at friend's houses, but doing that doesn't create extra copies of the DVD like downloading would. I'm not sure I get the point about reading a magazine in a doctor's office or somewhere - you're not generating additional copies of something for which nobody is paid. Are you suggesting that the "rules" by which I'm playing aren't really rules? They aren't the law? It *IS* ok to download whatever you want, from wherever you can get it, artists/producers/record companies be damned? I'm not sure I get that. And I'm playing by what I'm comfortable with, which works for me. If others want to download things, that's their choice. I don't think simply being capable of doing something gives you the right to do it, though. Promos and BMG are different issues to me. BMG items are legally offered and sold, so I'm not sure why I should feel wrong about buying them. Promos are murkier for me, but I own a number of them. I buy them in used shops, and they've obviously been sold to the shop by radio stations, reviewers, etc. But aren't they manufactured with the artist's consent? That being the case, once they are "out there" in the world, in whatever quantity, there's no way to control whether they are sold and repurchased. If there was a promo and a regular used copy of a title in a bin, I'd buy the regular copy every time. I admit to possibly some hypocrisy with the promos, but I haven't resolved that one completely in my head.

I wouldn't do that. Listening to samples somewhere is enough for me to make a decision, if I'm torn that much on whether I want to check something out or not. If I'm interested enough in wanting to hear the whole thing, I'd prefer to just buy it. And if I end up not liking it after enough times spinning it(however many listens that is), it goes in the trade/sale pile.

Well Erik, I would certainly hope not. I mean, its sort of like whether a teetotaler has a problem with people drinking, or a non-smoker with people smoking. It depends on the intent behind the poll to me - it's not explicitly talking about filesharing etc.

I assume the question is about illegally downloading material, right? I don't have any problem with people legally downloading any music, regardless whether I do it personally or not.

that's not cool. Probably so they can show it in prime time tonight?

Seconded!

If you have something to offer, just make a thread in the Offering forum, and state that you're interested in trades. People will offer you what they have available, in my experience, and you can then decide if there's something of interest to you. Alternately you can check out people's lists of things they have available for trade - like felser for instance. If you see something you're interested, make him an offer from your pile of duplicates/trade material. I've successfully made trades in this manner with board members all over the U.S., as well as in Ireland, England, France, Israel, Canada, and Singapore.

Isn't that essentially what the whole Offering and Looking For Forum is? I know I offer up things for trade in there pretty regularly, as do many others.

Into the Crim Zone...

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Shaking goat hooves?? That actually wants to make me hear it even more, I think, LOL.

Ron Miles with Bill Frisell - Heaven: I wasn't aware of this one either, but may have to check it out. Good write-up in allmusic. Thanks for the heads-up!

SI.com explains it frame by frame. Phelps chose to take one more stroke before getting to the wall, while Cavic was trying to glide into the finish wall. Amazing win, by .01 second!

I like them. October has been the one I've actually been most impressed with, maybe because I gave it less attention in the past. The bonus tracks on that one are really good. Boy is well done, but the War bonus disc could have been better. Under a Blood Red Sky is next on deck for September 30th I think. There are no bonus CD tracks from what I've read though, which disappoints me. The DVD will have additional material on it. I'm looking forward to Unforgettable Fire, which I assume will be after that.

Thanks for the review Phil! I've been curious how they'd integrate Gavin Harrison into the group's sound. I'm more than ready for another KC studio release - been too long.

Amazing! ps - Freeeeeeeeeeeeeedickeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Congratulations and here's to a happy lifetime together!