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How go you follow Tatum?

That's weird, man. That Charles Bell record was one of the first jazz records I listened to. My father used to buy any jazz record that had a guitar player on it, and that had a guy named Bill Smith playing guitar on it. When I was listening to it once, a kid named Bill Smith called me up for guitar lessons. I told him I was just listening to him playing with Charles Bell. He studied with me anyway. They were talking about Jimmy Giuffre playing at some concert overseas on another website, and Charles Bell was there too. Someone wanted to know who the guitar player was with Giuffre, because it wasn't Jim Hall. Maybe it was the mysterious Bill Smith? That's weird, man. That Charles Bell record was one of the first jazz records I listened to. My father used to buy any jazz record that had a guitar player on it, and that had a guy named Bill Smith playing guitar on it. When I was listening to it once, a kid named Bill Smith called me up for guitar lessons. I told him I was just listening to him playing with Charles Bell. He studied with me anyway. They were talking about Jimmy Giuffre playing at some concert overseas on another website, and Charles Bell was there too. Someone wanted to know who the guitar player was with Giuffre, because it wasn't Jim Hall. Maybe it was the mysterious Bill Smith?

Yeah, Bob Cooper Tenor Monte Budwig Bass, and Chuck Flores Drums.

I saw Arthur Lee live at Town Hall perform the entire FC album His band, Baby Lemonade, did a superb job, and they were augmented by a string trio and trumpet player. David Angel was hired by Elektra to do the arrangements for FG, and he had an amazing career as a jazz saxophonist, ghost arranger for Woody Herman, Art Pepper and others, wrote music for TV shows, and led his own big band that played his own pieces. He worked with AL every day for a few weeks at the piano for FC, and said that AL was a genius, and could've become a great composer if he learned how write music.

A friend of mine won Prix de Rome in the early 60s and wound up gigging with him all over Europe.

Sorry to hear about Pye, I'll notify Kim Novak about it.

I've been listening to the way Herbie Hancock comped for Wes Montgomery on one of Wes' albums, and the combination of Herbie's imaginative comping ideas, and Wes' straight ahead melodic genius was probably one of the greatest groups in jazz. Add Ron Carter's rock solid bass, and Grady Tate's tasteful groove, and you've got a perfectly balanced group.

Never heard that version. Sounds better than TR's, but where's the trombone solo?

Yeah, it's wild, isn't it?

My brother said he came across it only when applying for a CUNY teaching job as part of their affirmative action program.

The female lead in The Hustler has passed at the age of 91. She also played the mother of Sissy Spacechick in the film "Carrie", where she exemplified the proper way to bring up a daughter in the 1970s....😁

Confession is good for the soul...😁

My brother found this out when he applied for a job teaching at a CUNY school. I'll ask him where it's written down the next time I see him.

Back then there was a lot of prejudice against Italians. They were even lynched in New Orleans. In NYC, they're still listed as an oppressed group, legally. My father changed his professional last name to Carter, and his best friend, who was responsible for the New Yorker hotel designs on the headstock of D'Angelico New Yorker guitars, changed his name to Duke Martin. His real name was Hugo Ciamarelli, a very talented guitarist and jeweler, No one likes to discuss this: https://www.history.com/news/the-grisly-story-of-americas-largest-lynching

RIP.

You and me both!

Weird. I always wanted to buy that record because Phil Woods was supposed to be on it. Now I find out that according to this thread, Hal McKusick was the alto player! Thank you for revealing that fact. I would have had a violent reaction to hearing HM instead of PW. You probably saved many innocent lives.💀

Anything that isn't available on previous releases? There's no one else worth copying other than Wes.

Mitch Miller has been literally accused of destroying American Popular Music, in a book I read about APM in the 50s. As head of A&R at Mercury and Columbia, he ignored the sophisticated pop songs written by songwriters such as Alec Wilder,Tommy Wolfe and Fran Landesman, and others of that ilk, and championed gimmicky crap like, "How Much is That Doggy in the Window?" To quote music historian Will Friedwald: "Miller exemplified the worst in American pop. He first aroused the ire of intelligent listeners by trying to turn—and darn near succeeding in turning—great artists like Sinatra, Clooney, and Tony Bennett into hacks. Miller chose the worst songs and put together the worst backings imaginable—not with the hit-or-miss attitude that bad musicians traditionally used, but with insight, forethought, careful planning, and perverted brilliance.[12] It's no wonder kids turned to Elvis.

Well, at least that's something.

I could see putting his name on the albums where he sings some tunes, but if he didn't even arrange the tunes, what's the point? His 'composition' didn't sound like much, no matter how many hip-hoppers sampled it, and combining English horn with oboe, orchestra and guitar was hardly an innovation. It was just an ego trip and a money grab, because he was famous at the time. I fell for it, because I thought I was Illya Kuryakin, too. I wore turtlenecks and thought I was a spy ( I still think I'm a spy once in a while), just like my hero Illya did, but it reminds me of the Jackie Gleason 'albums'. What did Jackie Gleason do? Even Gil Evans did it on "Into the Hot'? What did he do on that album? I've also realized that Lalo Schifrin practically (not legally) ripped off Jerry Goldsmith on his Mission: Impossible theme. Goldsmith came up with a minor theme with a low pitched ostinato (although not in 5/4) a few years before Schifrin wrote M:I. This has been a highly relevatory thread.😁

What was he supposed to have done on that track?

Greatest 3rd baseman of all time. RIP.

Yea, the vibes entered the 20th Century music scene big time when I was in Uni. Composers were writing chamber music,and concertos for it left and right. Herrmann used it abundantly in the TZ in tiny groups to play his minor major7th add 9 chords to create that futuristic mood where you knew things were going to turn into futuristic nightmares for someone. I was surprised to learn that Adrian Rollini used the four mallet approach years before Gary Burton did.

Yes, the guitar is a percussive instrument too, and the piano tends to eat up all the sound if you let it sustain too much. Listen to how Eddie Costa comped for Tal Farlow; short, percussive stabs that bring out sound of the guitar. It's also good to stay out of the register that the vibes are playing in; that really gets in the way.