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Let me see if I can do the Readers Digest thing to this thread thus far: 'Fusion' may well be a particularly problematic episode in the evolution of jazz but it's way more than just a "footnote" and even footnotes can be interesting, sometimes way more than just 'interesting'...n'est ce pas?

He did two nice sax/piano duet albums, one with Jay McShan which is just what you'd expect and one with Dollar Brand which isn't...

Berigan, Don't have, haven't heard that one; I've got a French reissue from awhile back, can't remember the label, but the sound is about as good as I've heard for this material and I bought it in Paris so it's got sentimental value as well. Am I the only one who hears a direct tie to the JBs when he listens to this material? dana

sjarrell, I certainly agree that the Kinks "Waterloo Sunset", "Autum Almanac", "Dead End Street" series of singles is superb, and so very British that it's no surprise they didn't do nearly as well here as there. I like Victoria best as a whole album, but the track I'm most fond of is "Last of the steam Powered Trains" (Village Green, mono version only?) where they take the Yardbirds' arrangement of "Smokestack Lightening" and turn it from a stomping jam that has nothing whatsoever to do with the performers actual lives (or trains either, except nominally) to a whimsical excursion that presumably does relate to actual lives and trains... A long way from Rush (the nominal subject of this thread), but that's kinda the point. Unless, of course, Geddy and the guys actually did witness a battle between the various species of trees...

The Louvins are indeed the real deal, the last in the long line of brother duets--the Monroes, the Allens, the Blue Sky Boys, the Delmores--last that is unless you count the Everleys, which I do... If Satan is Real is a bit much for your tastes, check out their Sorrowful Songs of Life instead.

It's not that surprising that Sears sold their own branded records given that they did sorta the same thing with cars (Kaiser Henry J's sold as Allstates) and motorcycles (Puch and Benelli, also sold as Allstate). I think the same goes for musical instruments, but I don't know who 'ghosted' for them...

"Some big trees there..." That's what they all say...

Chris, If Led Zep was the poor man's Yardbirds, what does that make the first Jeff Beck Group? I mean, other than most excellent and why did Jeff have a prob with Micky Waller's wonderful drumming which is the main reason that Rod's solo albums are NOT just faces records under another name, and another thing is why isn't there a jazz equivalent for the Rock Book of Trees with all those complicated diagrams of personnel changes, I mean Miles, the Messenger and Horace Silver's bands would just about fill it on their own...[done in lower case so you won't mistake me for aric]

Iron Butterfly predate Led Zeplin, or was that your point?

As far as I'm concerned stax mono 45's are pretty much the ideal sound...different strokes, eh?

STYX did suck, as you would expect of a band made up of former engineering students, BUT I saw Dennis DeYoung doing the schill thing on PBS in connection with some orcastrated renditions of their tunes and he was a hoot!

PM'd you, twice just to be sure...

Jeez, half the stuffs you guys picked isn't really that bad sounding at all to my ears, e.g. the Hot 5s & 7s sound just fine the way(s) they are IMHO. Now the King Oliver Creole Jazz Band with Louis and Dodds could definitely stand a miracle upgrade, as could just about all the blues (Patton, House, etc.) on Paramount from the '20s-'30s, and there's this Howlin' Wolf boot from Cambridge in '66 that I love in spite of it's not even good for a boot sound...

sjarrell, Yes i meant the 'poor man's Who' jibe re the v. early 'mod R&B band' Small Faces, the Immediate period being more a psych-ed up Kinks, kinda 'Music Hall on acid'. Re the Kinks and the Who (who I see as having many similarities and/or parallels), perhaps the Kinks realized before most that staying with the (relatively, for then) heaviness of "Really Got Me", etc. would only lead to inadvertant silliness so they decided to short-circuit the process and go straight for overt silliness...? This 'poor man's' thing works for jazz too: the Charles Lloyd band with Jarrett and DeJohntte always struck me as 'the poor man's Coltrane Quatrtet', except the rhythm section consistantly outplayed the leader...

"There's trouble in the forrest..." Need I say more?! I thought the Small Faces were the poor man's Who, and anyway I actually prefer the Guess Who's version of "Summertime Blues"...

this really is the stuff, isn't it? If I want to really praise a set of recordings I say 'As good/important in its way as the Hot 5s & 7s'...and I don't say that about much.

Oh, and I forgot the bobby Hutcherson session (1970?) where he plays current hits: unissued at the time but two tunes have been on UK samplers and the one I've heard ("Family Affair") was pretty good...

For what it's worth, according to the-faces.com (where most of the posters do bad imitations of Rod's anecdotalese), AMG has given it 5 stars and is threatening to put it at the top of their (forthcoming?) best boxes list.

Turning Point and On Broadway are both pretty good, if not quite great, albums--certainly deserving of an issue on domestic CD. There's also so pretty good McGriff (and maybe they could figure out who plays on the uncredited date(s)). Lou Donaldson's Say It Loud is at least as good as some of the stuff that's been reissued, and he has some completely unissued dates as well. Grant Green's Visions was his biggest seller (actually made the charts) and it's never been on a US CD. It's not Idle Moments, but Rudy did a great job of making his tone just glow and who wouldn't want to hear Grant play Mozart? It could be doubled up with a slightly earlier unissued studio session with Claude Bartee and Egregious Muhammad ("acid Green" or is it "Green Acid" is the lone original on that one). There's also a live GG date from the Club Mozambique with Houston Person and tunes he didn't do elsewhere. stanley T's Always Something There & Look of Love (both heavily orchestrated) woulkd probably fit on one CD. But I'd rather have the five 'little big band' dates from '67-68 that remain partially issued, sorry I don't have the BN discog with me but the material ranges from "Ain't No Mt. Hi enuff" to Jobim and most include McCoy and other notables with Duke P arrangments, i.e. the're interestingly transitional. Let's see, what else? I'm sure someone wants Blue Mitchell's Bantu Village and Collision In Black and they'd probably fit both on one CD.

ASK THE AGES - must be played at lease losing volumn so you can hear how many times Laswell everdubbed(sic) Sharrock and so you get the full effect of Pharogh clearing his throat thru his horn. And Elvin! I would add that I rarely play anything v. lound any more and that I don't find most jazz particularly suited to any volume above 'loud enuff to hear everything'. It's both a matter of the engineering/recording and the music its self.

Hi school and after in Saskatoon? Hung with an odd collection of bright kids and juvenile delinquints united by beer and dope: drinking in the bars (drinking age was 18 and v. loosely enforced, I can remember being in a bar where I estimated the average age to be well under 18), parties at people's houses I didn't even know, walking home for miles in way sub zero tempatures, mostly standard issue Rock and a little blues (at least until I went to Reed College 'in the States'). I'm sure I was a trial to my parents, I think they were actually relieved when I started driving cab all night at 18. I'm 49 and saw some of the people I've known for 30 yr at a wedding in S'toon recently... Saskatchewan would be a good place to raise my 2yr olf in many ways, but staying out of trouble wouldn't be one of them (it's as much a drinking town as ever as far as I can tell). At least gun crime is less common there than here in Portland.

Hey, if it saves a kid's life then more power to GM for this at least... You wouldn't think that people'd need to be told but apparently they do.

My understanding is that this has been set back yet again, this time to July...

I don't know jack 'bout African music, jazz or otherwise, and I'm not sure how I ended up with several of his albums, BUT I'm sure glad I did 'cause IMHO Johnny Dyani is the real deal, fluid imaginative yet never forgetting that it's a base (sic) which he plays with a great big huge bottomless sound...

NPR had stuf on the centenial all last week, but I managed to miss most of it. However there will probably be something up on their website for awhile...