The Magnificent Goldberg

Good. Arbee is from the same generation as T-Bone, but a different part of the country, so there are differences. But this has a lot of the same laid back feeling that you get with T-Bone working with some jazz musicians, which he often (even usually) did. His guitar playing is more "primitive" than T-Bone's - but that's only to be expected of a contemporary who didn't make the breakthrough. As an earlier style, Arbee plays well, I think, though I haven't heard much of the pre-T-Bone/Christian styles to be able to judge well. As for Wright, I haven't focused on his playing yet. The little blurb OJC and OBC CDs had on the back call him "John Young" MG MG Are you sure its not John Young, ie the piano player who recorded for Delmark and later backed Von Freeman? I think he was on T-Bone Blues as well. Seems possible. As I said, I haven't focused on the pianist yet. But the personnel in the album notes lists it as Wright. So does the Prestige discography. And it was recorded the day before Wright's own album "Nice n' tasty" (both at RVG's). In the interview with Arbee in the sleeve note he mentions that Wright was one of his favourite jazz musicians, and there are refs to his "South side soul" in the note (by Joe Goldberg - who was probably pretty careful about that sort of thing). Do you mean T-Bone's Atlantic album "T-Bone blues"? Unless there are some additional tracks on a CD release, there are none with Young on my LP copy. One session is with Ray Johnson, another with Lloyd Glenn and a third just says "band accompaniment". MG OK, that sounds pretty definitive. BTW , the Atlantic discography I use lists John Young as pianist on T-Bone Shuffle and Papa Ain't Salty. Damn! I should have taken the LP out of its sleeve! On the inner sleeve, I'd copied the entry from the Atlantic discography (which I don't have but got from the library many years ago), and yes, there's John Young in there! :rsmile: MG

Debt-fueled consumption or consumption untethered from income or personal savings , is financially ruinous both individually and collectively . On an individual level , it is axiomatic that borrowing only makes economic sense if the borrowing is used to earn a return greater than the cost of borrowing . As there is no return on consumption , debt-enabled consumption today is purchased at the cost of reduced consumption and a reduced standard of living in the future . Collectively , debt-based consumption results in a grievous misallocation of savings away from economically productive investment of the kind needed to ensure future income growth and consumption . Substituting 'credit-fueled' for 'debt-fueled' in 'Debt-fueled consumption is not necessarily a problem' doesn't change anything either , for while the statement is true strictly speaking ( since grace periods allow disciplined consumers to avoid turning credit-based consumption into financed consumption ) , there would be no consumer credit industry if credit-based consumption didn't in practice become debt-based consumption . It looks like you're answering the question I posed on Christmas Day And it looks like you're saying that the consumer debt business is diverting resources away from more productive uses so that, had there not been a relaxation of credit restrictions in the early eighties, our economies would be better off than they are now, because they'd be able to produce more. But the paradox is that, without the easy credit, that production couldn't be sold, and so wouldn't be produced anyway. MG

Well, my point was to try to describe with some precision what the difference was between one night when he was hot and one night when he was not. For instance, there may be a few ways for a major league ballplayer to hit a home run by accident (or there may not be any such ways), but I'm sure that there are many thousands of ways and reasons for a major league ballplayer to miss a pitch completely. Now if both things I've just said are so, and I'm interested in how people who hit successfully do it and how those who do not do it do not, then I want to look closely at just what's going on when things work out well and likewise when they do not. It's not like I'm a coach or anything, but just by chance I was about to post something elsewhere that stems directly from this way of looking at/responding to things, so now I'll post it here. It's about Horace Silver's comping on "The Milt Jackson Quartet" (OJC). In a rather quiet way for Horace -- whom one thinks of from the way he often backs soloists in his own groups as a very aggressive accompanist -- his playing behind Bags on this album, particularly on "My Funny Valentine," is so subtly suggestive-supportive that I'm filled with a blend of something like joy and awe. Further, as one might expect, the sense of collaboration here is so total that it's possible to get kind of choked up about what artistic and emotional heights this music can attain -- and this in a performance that one can take as pleasant background music if one isn't paying attention. I'm saying then that to detect and enjoy the heights when they're there, we probably need (in our various ways) to take fairly close notice of what's actually going on. Otherwise, how do we really know when someone is hot and when they're not? But then I guess that's where my home run analogy breaks down a bit. In baseball there's an obvious external sign of successful effort: the ball leaves the park. In jazz there's only the music-making itself, its functioning details. Thanks Larry. I'm not capable of that kind of analysis so I'm broadly content to leave it at something mysterious that I can feel (sometimes). (Though there are times when I do wonder how a musician can convert life into sounds so hot your face might well be blistered.) MG

He looks like a very happy man there, Mark. Thanks for posting those photos. MG

How is it? Good. Arbee is from the same generation as T-Bone, but a different part of the country, so there are differences. But this has a lot of the same laid back feeling that you get with T-Bone working with some jazz musicians, which he often (even usually) did. His guitar playing is more "primitive" than T-Bone's - but that's only to be expected of a contemporary who didn't make the breakthrough. As an earlier style, Arbee plays well, I think, though I haven't heard much of the pre-T-Bone/Christian styles to be able to judge well. As for Wright, I haven't focused on his playing yet. The little blurb OJC and OBC CDs had on the back call him "John Young" MG MG Are you sure its not John Young, ie the piano player who recorded for Delmark and later backed Von Freeman? I think he was on T-Bone Blues as well. Seems possible. As I said, I haven't focused on the pianist yet. But the personnel in the album notes lists it as Wright. So does the Prestige discography. And it was recorded the day before Wright's own album "Nice n' tasty" (both at RVG's). In the interview with Arbee in the sleeve note he mentions that Wright was one of his favourite jazz musicians, and there are refs to his "South side soul" in the note (by Joe Goldberg - who was probably pretty careful about that sort of thing). Do you mean T-Bone's Atlantic album "T-Bone blues"? Unless there are some additional tracks on a CD release, there are none with Young on my LP copy. One session is with Ray Johnson, another with Lloyd Glenn and a third just says "band accompaniment". MG

Now only 19 hours behindhand! MG

I see. Well, I couldn't resist grabbing the first album I know without looking that Bobby Durham's on - Charles Earland's "Smokin'" - he's on two tracks - and giving it a spin. No rimshots! Not one! MG

I just looked through all my Jaws albums and don't have ONE with Bobby Durham. MG

Larry, it seems to me that what you're saying is that some nights, OP was really hot and other nights he wasn't. Isn't that what we EXPECT of jazz musicians? We expect that every night they'll play what they feel; and some nights it won't come together. Jazz fans know that there's a risk in this music. It's the risk that makes it valuable; that makes every kind of improvised music valuable, that it reflects life as the musician lives it and feels it. And knowing all this, they're still prepared to pay money to go and see this stuff. Because they know that the guy who never made a mistake never made anything. MG

The board's now only 25 hours slow. Catching up. MoGrubb will soon be right! MG

Happy birthday! And many more! MG

How is it? Good. Arbee is from the same generation as T-Bone, but a different part of the country, so there are differences. But this has a lot of the same laid back feeling that you get with T-Bone working with some jazz musicians, which he often (even usually) did. His guitar playing is more "primitive" than T-Bone's - but that's only to be expected of a contemporary who didn't make the breakthrough. As an earlier style, Arbee plays well, I think, though I haven't heard much of the pre-T-Bone/Christian styles to be able to judge well. As for Wright, I haven't focused on his playing yet. The little blurb OJC and OBC CDs had on the back call him "John Young" MG

I think the composer of "Israel" is Johnny Carisi. So it is - only got that CD a week or so ago and Nat writes so many of his own tunes, I jumped to that conclusion. I slouch corrected. Thanks Bengtsy. MG

I have a few hundred, but not in my garage (since I lack a basement) - they're in active use, since that's the only way the majority of my African collection comes. MG

I didn't know that. The BBC played Lyman's "Taboo" a lot more than they played anything by Martin Denny. In fact, I don't ever remember hearing Denny, except on my own record player MG

Here's another Cooper Each year it was the custom for the very best performers to appear at the Royal Command Performance. At the end of the show the very best of the best were introduced to the Queen. 'Did you think I was funny?', Tommy Cooper asked the Queen. 'Yes, very funny Tommy', replied the Queen. 'Did your Mother think I was funny?', Tommy asked. 'Yes, she laughed non-stop', said the Queen 'Would you mind if I ask a personal question?', Tommy asked. 'No, you can ask, but I may not be able to answer', the Queen replied 'Who are you supporting in the Cup Final?', asked Tommy. 'Neither, I am impartial' , said the Queen. ' 'In that case, ... ' said Tommy, '....do you mind if I have your Cup Final Tickets?' MG

Lita Rosa Gil Scott-Heron Half Pint

I wasn't expecting this until the new year, but it turned up today! With King Curtis, John Wright, Leonard Gaskin & Jump Jackson. MG

And a bunch of Peter Kay's 'I'm not homophobic, I love my house!' I met a Dutch girl with inflatable shoes last week, phoned her up to arrange a date but unfortunately she'd popped her clogs. Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly; but when they lit a fire in the craft, it sank, proving once and for all that you can't have your kayak and heat it. So I said "Do you want a game of Darts?" He said, "OK then", I said "Nearest to bull starts". He said, "Baa", I said, "Moo". He said, "You're closest". You see I'm against hunting; in fact I'm a hunt saboteur. I go out the night before and shoot the fox. The other day I sent my girlfriend a huge pile of snow. I rang her up, I said "Did you get my drift?". So I went down the local supermarket, I said, "I want to make a complaint, this vinegar's got lumps in it", he said, "Those are pickled onions". I saw this bloke chatting up a cheetah; I thought, "He's trying to pull a fast one". So I said to this train driver "I want to go to Paris". He said "Eurostar?" I said, "I've been on telly but I'm no Dean Martin". So I said to the Gym instructor "Can you teach me to do the splits?" He said, "How flexible are you?" I said, "I can't make Tuesdays". But I'll tell you what I love doing more than anything: trying to pack myself in a small suitcase. I can hardly contain myself. So I met this gangster who pulls up the back of people's pants, it was Wedgie Kray. So I went to the Chinese restaurant and this duck came up to me with a red rose and says "Your eyes sparkle like diamonds". I said, "Waiter, I asked for a-ROMATIC duck". But I'm in great mood tonight because the other day I entered a competition and I won a years supply of Marmite......... one jar. So this bloke says to me, "Can I come in your house and talk about your carpets?" I thought, "That's all I need, a Je-hoover's witness". You see my next-door neighbour worships exhaust pipes, he's a catholic converter. So I rang up British Telecom, I said, "I want to report a nuisance caller", he said "Not you again". So I was having dinner with Garry Kasporov (world chess champion) and there was a check tablecloth. It took him two hours to pass me the salt. He said, "You remind me of a pepper-pot", I said "I'll take that as a condiment". Now did you know all male tennis players are witches, for example Goran, even he's a witch. And I've got a friend who's fallen in love with two school bags, he's bisatchel. So I was in Tesco's and I saw this man and woman wrapped in a barcode. I said, "Are you two an item?" So a lorry-load of tortoises crashed into a trainload of terrapins, I thought, "That's a turtle disaster". Four fonts walk into a bar the barman says "Oi - get out! We don't want your type in here" A jump-lead walks into a bar. The barman says "I'll serve you, but don't start anything" A priest, a rabbi and a vicar walk into a bar. The barman says, "Is this some kind of joke?" A sandwich walks into a bar. The barman says "Sorry we don't serve food in here" Dyslexic man walks into a bra A seal walks into a club... A man walks into a bar with a roll of tarmac under his arm and says: "Pint, please, and one for the road." A three-legged dog walks into a saloon in the Old West. He slides up to the bar and announces: "I'm looking for the man who shot my paw." A group of chess enthusiasts checked into a hotel and were standing in the lobby discussing their recent tournament victories. After about an hour, the manager came out of the office and asked them to disperse. "But why?" they asked, as they moved off. "Because," he said "I can't stand chess nuts boasting in an open foyer." There was a man who entered a local paper's pun contest. He sent in ten different puns, in the hope that at least one of the puns would win. Unfortunately, no pun in ten did. A woman has twins, and gives them up for adoption. One of them goes to a family in Egypt and is named "Amal." The other goes to a family in Spain, they name him Juan". Years later; Juan sends a picture of himself to his mum. Upon receiving the picture, she tells her husband that she wished she also had a picture of Amal. Her husband responds, "But they are twins. If you've seen Juan, you've seen Amal." MG

A selection of Tommy Cooper jokes Two blondes walk into a building..........you'd think at least one of them would have seen it. Phone answering machine message - "...If you want to buy marijuana, press the hash key..." A guy walks into the psychiatrist wearing only Clingfilm for shorts. The shrink says, "Well, I can clearly see you're nuts." I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day but I couldn't find any. I went to the butchers the other day and I bet him 50 quid that he couldn't reach the meat off the top shelf. He said, "No, the steaks are too high." My friend drowned in a bowl of muesli. A strong currant pulled him in. A man came round in hospital after a serious accident. He shouted, "Doctor, doctor, I can't feel my legs!" The doctor replied, "I know you can't, I've cut your arms off". I went to a seafood disco last week...and pulled a muscle. Our ice cream man was found lying on the floor of his van covered with hundreds and thousands. Police say that he topped himself. Man goes to the doctor, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it." A man takes his Rottweiller to the vet. "My dog's cross-eyed, is there anything you can do for him?" "Well," says the vet, "let's have a look at him" So he picks the dog up and examines his eyes, then checks his teeth. Finally, he says, "I'm going to have to put him down." "What? Because he's cross-eyed? ""No, because he's really heavy" Two elephants walk off a cliff...boom, boom! What do you call a fish with no eyes? A fsh. So I was getting into my car, and this bloke says to me "Can you give me a lift?" I said "Sure, you look great, the world's your oyster, go for it.' Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. There are 5 people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my Mum or my Dad, or my older Brother Colin, or my younger Brother Ho-Cha-Chu. But I think its Colin. Two fat blokes in a pub, one says to the other "Your round." The other one says "So are you, you fat bastard!" "You know, somebody actually complimented me on my driving today. They left a little note on the windscreen. It said, 'Parking Fine.' So that was nice." A man walked into the doctors, he said, "I've hurt my arm in several places" The doctor said, "Well don't go there anymore" MG

Wow! That is Tommy Cooper quality! MG

It's not just the PMs - it's the notifications of posting onto subscribed threads. But the system's catching up; it's now about a day and a half behind. MG

Back in the early sixties, the name Arthur Lyman carried weight in that style, too. The tune "Quiet village" seems to have lasted quite well. I have versions by Pucho & the Latin Soul Brothers, El Chicano, and one I've bought quite recently but can't immediately find MG Oh, and there was a sixties version by Odell Brown & the Organisers.

Well, jazz is showbiz and Oscar Peterson was every bit as good at that, in his way, as Willis Jackson was in HIS way. I like the IDEA of OP rather better than I like listening to his music. MG

China boy - Paul Whiteman China stomp - Lionel Hampton MG