The Magnificent Goldberg

Phew! You got me very nervous then - I thought you meant unreleased live gigs! I've got every one. MG (Well, every one that's been released!)

Which world is George Lane the Wild Bill Davis of? MG

Billy Vaughn Frankie Vaughan Vaughn Monroe

Sir Montagu Burton Sir Richard Burton Plain old Gary Burton

Sonny Stitt Roosts discs 4, 5 & 6 ths morning. MG

I'm going to get the Smith and Turrentine - eventually. Glad I stuffed myself with African stuff in Paris last month. So it's the Japanese Mainstreams that are the priority for me, at present. MG

Yesterday evening's vinyl was a bumch of those '70 LPs that people here love to hate! Grant Green - Visions - BN UA orig Sonny Criss - Warm & Sonny - Impulse UK Groove Holmes - Dancing in the sun - Versatile orig MG

Blue's "Summer soft" was a lot better than "African violet". "Summer soft" is a classic of the genre. MG

That's pretty poor, but compared with a lot of other stuff... MG

I love GG's playing on this. It's one of my favourite GGs. MG

Yes. But both of these compilations were released 35 years ago. Guy So? Are you suggesting that the market has changed radically? Also, the biggest albums of Bread, Carpenters, Cat Stevens, Presley, Lennon, Manilow & Simon & Garfunkel are all compilations. Compilations are cash cows. MG

Bobby Lewis Lewis Carroll Carole Lombard

True, but it's not as big as sound as Jaws'. MG

Compilations sell - and not just in jazz. Two of the biggest selling Beatles albums are compilations, each of which outsold every other LP except the White Album. Most people aren't serious collectors. MG

I agree - I think there's still quite a lot of interesting stuff in the vaults. And I've always loved the title "Don't worry about it George". I also think there's still decent sales potential in these sessions, though perhps not what it was in the '80s and '90s. MG

Nothing like that EVER happens to me in music stores. MG

Interesting thread. What's always occurred to me is that there's often or even usually a trade off between having a big sound and having great facility with an instrument. This seems particularly obvious to me with sax players. The guys with big sounds weren't generally all over their instruments. And vice versa. The archetype of this kind of idea is, of course, Jug and Sonny. But you get the same impression with Jaws and Griff. Of course, there are musicians who had it all - Criss, George Benson - but I think they're quite rare. Any of the musicians want to comment on this? MG

Last thing last night, for GG's birthday Grant Green - Shades of Green - BN (UA orig - not deep groove, but deep groove ) MG

Chuck Nessa Chuck Rock Eva Brick

No it doesn't - Billy Byers' string arrangements are about as turgid as you could wish for (except for the Claus Ogerman ones on "Comin' in the back door"). MG

Yes, I'd forgotten about those. MG

Thanks folks. MG

A lot of stuff on the major labels was trot: all the Stanley Turrentine Elektras I've heard (and some of his Fantasy albums); Sonny Criss' "Joy of sax" (though not "Warm & Sonny" which was beautiful and commercial); and in particular Almost everything produced on Blue Note by George Butler. But the worst, I think, on a major label, that I've actually got, was Wynton Kelly's "Comin' in the back door", the only (slightly) redeeming feature of which is tht it's less than 28 minutes long. It's an album on which almost nothing whatever happens. On minor labels, in a similar vein to the Kelly, there's "Hampton Hawes plays movie musicals" on Vault. (Oh yes, and this one's just over 28 minutes, thank goodness.) MG

And it's a happy bithday from me, too MG

Hey! Isn't there supposed to be an Onzy Matthews? And wasn't there a Lou Blackburn that was a double? I'm losing it, ain't I? Too many things to remember to buy. MG