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Another old thread I found searching for something else -- something I want to follow-up on when I get back to DC, and can listen to my own copy of "Blue Spirits".

So, about once a year I stumble across some request for a complete list of BN Conns, and I think this is it. Is this complete, and is it accurate?? Damn, nothing since 2008, and that's probably the last ones we'll ever see (at least with physical media).

This came up for me, searching for something else. Jim, did you ever got this?? Or anybody else? Sounds very interesting indeed (at least on paper).

I agree, Coleridge Perkinson is probably a big key to the success of "It's Time" (maybe THE key). Perkinson played piano and was also the "music director" on the Solomon Ilori BN session in three long cuts that make up the bonus material on the Conn CD issue of "African High Life" (October 30, 1964 - the one with w/ Donald Byrd & Hubert Laws - here's some previous discussion), which is also expertly arranged -- and technically, there's singing on it too (though not in the traditional 'choral' sense) -- but I think it qualifies here too (perhaps especially because Coleridge was involved). I guess given their complexity, I'm kind of surprised that Perkinson DIDN'T do the arrangements on Andrew Hill's two "Lift Every Voice" sessions, but rather those were both done by Lawrence Marshall, who also sang in the group on both dates. Anybody know anything about him?? Was he ever involved in anything else pertinent to this thread? For that matter, did any of these choral groups ever record outside of their respective involvement in these sessions??

From the article... That's fucked up. Perhaps not that such a device exists (though one could argue that), but that some police appear to be using these during regular traffic stops, without a search order or anything even remotely like 'probable cause', is pretty outrageous.

Some googling implies that the 1972 Yusef Lateef album "Hush 'N' Thunder" has the same vocal group on it as Max Roach's "Lift Every Voice and Sing". Anybody know if their contribution is on the entire album, or just one or two cuts?? And how is it?

Another brief source of discussion on this linked below. I discovered it searching on a combination of both "Andrew Hill" "Lift Every Voice" and "Max Roach" "It's Time" (within the same Google search) -- resulting in a review of a Strata-East album by Brother Ahh (which I've not heard). from Black World/Negro Digest Sep 1974 (pages 54 & 55) This review also mentions some unnamed Ellington contributions to the "jazz + chorus" concept, though I'm afraid I'm not aware of the specifics.

Previous thread HERE, including link to another article with more details. My understanding is that they were 'demos' (or perhaps 'early rehearsals' might be more accurate), recorded prior to the actual sessions -- and they may have previously been unknown to have existed. [moderator's note: threads merged]

Sound can wash clothes. - Sun Ra

Beauty in music is too often confused with something that lets the ear lie back in an easy chair. - Charles Ives

Just spare us Wynton.

Oh yeah, forgot about the Eddie Gales - both of which I have (and they're great!). I've sampled the Horace Silvers, and I've never had the nerve to take the plunge.

Max Roach - "It's Time" (Impulse, 1962) -- 16 voice wordless choir Billy Harper - "Capra Black" (Strata-East, 1973) -- 5 voice choir on side 2 Andrew Hill - "Lift Every Voice" (Blue Note, 1969 & 1970, two full-length sessions) -- 8 and 7 voices Marvin "Hannibal" Peterson - "The Angels of Atlanta" (enja, 1981) -- w/ the Harlem Boys Choir and soloists Donald Byrd - "A New Perspective" and "I'm Tryin' to Get Home" (Blue Note, 1963 & 1964) -- 8 voice choir on both dates Freddie Roach - "All That's Good" (Blue Note, 1964) -- small vocal group (not sure how big, my copy is 1,000 miles away at the moment) That's all that I have -- with the top four dates being the "heaviest". I just found a used copy of "It's Time" on Saturday (first time ever hearing it), and it's really a monster session -- with especially great blowing from Clifford Jordan, Richard Williams, and Julian Priester, plus Mal Waldron and Art Davis are on the date too -- Yeow!! Coincidentally I also replaced my lost copy of "Capra Black" this weekend, which I hadn't heard in several years, and it's a monster too. What else is notable in this genre? I know there's another Max Roach date with choir ("Lift Every Voice and Sing", Atlantic 1971), which is on my wish-list now (haven't ever heard it) -- how is it?? Also, I understand Billy Harper has a more recent DVD with some big chorus (I think it was recorded in Poland, iirc) -- how's that?? Also, does anybody know if these kind dates were recorded "live" with the musicians and the chorus performing together in real-time?? In the case of those from the 60's and early 70's, I can't imagine them being done that way (especially the Andrew Hill, for instance) -- and I would have to believe that the chorus was overdubbed. Anybody know for sure??

Well, the ultimate answer to this question is clearly Sun Ra. Often corny (in the extreme) -- but depending on one's perspective -- the more he is, the more he isn't. Thinking of his arrangements of standards here, like Alone Together, and such. Probably doesn't apply to his piano playing specifically, as much as the overly sweet horn arrangement and his vocal rendition -- but the principle is the same as the concept described in the OP.

Apparently I don't because I never would have put Mehldau in this category. My thought exactly. Mehldau might be a lot of things, but 'corny' ain't one of them.

Mehldau? Interesting. Depending on my mood, I sometimes find him to be cerebral to the point lacking emotion. (Or maybe I'm confusing my own emotional response to how (I think) he doesn't swing in any conventional sense.) Don't get me wrong, I really LIKE Mehldau (or at least most of the time). But I find him to be 'emotional' in a rather technical way, if that makes any sense. Or, getting back to the language in the OP, I almost never find him to be corny. If anything, he's off the chart in the opposite direction -- i.e., he's 'hyper-sincere', sometimes even to his own detriment.

Still pining for Tyrone Washington's "Roots" on CD, which is every bit as strong as "Natural Essence" -- and, I think "Roots" is even stronger. I am aware of a couple other 'Perception' dates having been issued in CD, though I don't know the circumstances of their issue. Here's the details of the date... Date: 1973 Label: Perception Tyrone Washington (ldr), Tyrone Washington (ts), Hubert Eaves (p), Stafford James (b), Clifford Barbaro (d) a. a-01 You Are The Sunshine Of My Life - 5:00 (Stevie Wonder) b. a-02 Spiritual Light Of The Universe - 5:07 (Tyrone Washington) c. a-03 Roots - 5:00 (Tyrone Washington) d. a-04 Submission [aka To The East Side Rock] - 4:45 (Tyrone Washington) e. b-01 War Is Not For Men - 6:00 (Tyrone Washington) f. b-02 You Don't Know What Love Is - 7:00 (Don Raye, Gene DePaul) g. b-03 1980 - 7:20 (Tyrone Washington) All titles on: Perception LP 12": PLP 40 — Roots (1973) LP issue gives no recording date - 1973 is issue date.

Eddie Henderson's cover of "Masqualero" from "Time & Spaces" (Sirocco Music Limited, 2004) When done right, "Masqualero" could be my favorite Shorter tune.

For anyone else who needed to do this... 16 lbs and 35 lbs respectively. 16 lbs is not much!

Had one of those watches too -- it also gave up the ghost (for me, not just for 'ghost of miles') about 10 years ago. I have a nicer BN watch somewhere around here too, but never liked it quite as much as the simpler one.

Didn't care for the Blakey Prestige date(s) much. Bought 'em cuz Woody was on 'em, but I seem to remember that band not really gelling (did they even play live much?). Kind of a disappointment, as I recall.

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Some work for me, some done. Seems to be about 50/50.

How is Caliman's "Celebration" from 1977?? Lineup sure looks good... hadley caliman (ts, fl) hotep cecil barnard (p) david williams (b) elvin jones (d)