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I had a couple opportunities to drive through (and in and around) part of the "mostly Black" part of Kansas City, a couple times in the last month. My wife and I had noticed ads in the free weekly KC paper for two brand new restaurants right in the heart of the Black part of town. One serves Caribbean food, and the other was for an ice-cream shop that also serves hot dogs, chili, etc... I think we're gonna try the Caribbean restaurant sometime in the next month, just for the heck of it. In that same all-Black neighborhood, my wife and I also drove up and down a couple dozen neighborhood streets, in an area of town with nearly all older homes (most built in the early 1920's through the early 1950's). Though some of the houses were in need of quite a bit of work, most were nicely maintained, and the area had a great "neighborhood" kind of feel to it. NOT that I expected any differently (because the area was Black), but it was nice to experience an new part of town personally, since I really love driving around and looking at older homes. ( No specific reason for posting all this, other than I wanted to get this thread going again. Please post anything you can think of related to the general topic. I still think it's an important one. Thanks!!! )

Thanks Ghost. Rosenthal's "HARD BOP" was the one thing I could think of with much discussion about Hill. (I was about to mention it - but suddenly blocked on Rosenthal's name, and also on the title of the book.)

Big Al, if it were my place to do the nominatin', you'd definitely get my vote!!!! I say, let's include everything Miles recorded in the studio from May 9th through July 19th, 1967 (including the tune "Thisness" recorded sometime in that range, though the specific date isn't known). That would include all of the albums "Sorcerer" & "Nefertiti", plus side 1 of "Water Babies", plus all the alternate takes included on the box set, along with the tune "Thisness" - which is clearly from this period, even if the specific recording date isn't known. If people don't have the box set, they can listen to what they do have, and chime in with comments about that material. I would think most of us would at least have "Sorcerer" or "Nefertiti", if not both. Great idea!!!!!!!!! This is one of my VERY favorite periods of Miles studio output. "Nefertiti" was one of the first Miles albums I ever heard (along with KoB).

My wife and I saw this on in the theaters around the 1st of the year. We both loved the movie, and she commented on the soundtrack in particular, which I liked as well. It's on my list of movie soundtracks to keep my eyes out for in the 'used CD' bins. One of the "most fun" movies I've seen in the past year.

PS: I kind of know John Szwed, every so slightly (I was a reference for a few things in his Sun Ra biography, enough that my name got mentioned in the "thankyou"s in the introduction to the book - giving me my very own 15 nanoseconds of fame!!!) Anyway, I've been thinking about dropping him an e-mail, to tell him what a great job he did on the Miles book (which I'm just about to finish, any day now), and while I'm at it ---- I'm suddenly half-thinking about half-seriously suggesting he consider writing a biography of Hill. It's a "1 in a Million" shot, but hey - what's there to loose???

This thread on AJJ (What Other Jazz Records Deserve the Ashley Kahn "KOB"/"Love Supreme" Treatment?), got me thinking that I'd LOVE to read a good, lengthy biography of Andrew Hill. (I had suggested "Black Fire" or "Point of Departure" for the AAJ thread.) Just in the last month I've been reading John Szwed's recent and excellent "So What: The Life of Miles Davis", and realizing how much I would really, really love to read about Hill's life, especially since he went down so many interesting, and often different paths - including being a church musician, teaching (somewhat before it became common, I think?), and doing "tours" in non-standard kinds of venues (in the early 70's). Are there any Hill biographies out there?? I can't imagine that there are any, but it never hurts to ask. If not, then what are the most important written documents/discussions about Hill's life and work?? (Like are there any "Hill"-only chapters in any books???) Any Hill interviews to recomend???

OK, back to more serious matters. I just discovered (on-line) that Joe is on two Richard Davis albums from 1977, with the same line-up on each album (despite their being on different labels)... Richard Davis: Way Out West (Muse, 1977, but it looks like it wasn't released until 1981?) [*]AMG REVIEW: Recorded with the same musicians and during the same two days as the Galaxy release Fancy Free, this LP covers a wide area. Bassist Richard Davis is heard in an unaccompanied solo on the brief "A Peace for Richard," on a duet with tenor saxophonist Joe Henderson for "On the Trail" (one of the session's highpoints), heading a trio with pianist Stanley Cowell and drummer Billy Cobham on "I'm Old Fashioned" and otherwise playing with a quintet that also includes Henderson, Cowell (who doubles on a dated sounding electric piano), Cobham and trumpeter Eddie Henderson; three songs have vocals by the obscure Dolly Hirota. Ranging from straightahead to some funky pop, this is an interesting if not essential release from the masterful bassist. — Scott Yanow Richard Davis: Fancy Free (Galaxy, 1977) [*]AMG REVIEW: It seems odd that this Galaxy LP was recorded at the same time as Way Out West for the rival Muse label. Bassist Richard Davis teams up with trumpeter Eddie Henderson, tenor saxophonist Joe Henderson, keyboardist Stanley Cowell and drummer Billy Cobham for five selections that are highlighted by "Silver's Serenade," "Nardis" and a rare cover version of Donald Byrd's "Fancy Free"; singer Dolly Hirota is featured on "I Still Love You, Baby." Overall this is the stronger of the sets recorded during the two-day period in 1977, an advanced and mostly straightahead effort. — Scott Yanow Yanow gives them both 3-stars each. Have either one been released on CD?? How are they??

Wasn't it for damn near everybody??? (At least more often than not.)

118. What do you call a drive-through liquor store? a. brew thru (3.44%) b. party barn (0.71%) c. bootlegger (0.13%) d. beer barn (2.84%) e. beverage barn (0.81%) f. we have these in my area, but we have no special term for them (31.35%) g. I have never heard of such a thing (48.26%) h. other (12.45%) (10458 respondents) Choice a: brew thru

My wife and I both took this on-line survey back in February or so. We had a blast discussing the regional differences in dialects, and the results are often quite interesting. There are "maps" provided with the answers to each question, to show where survey respondents were from, grouped by their responses. Link: Welcome to the Dialect Survey Link: Dialect Survey Maps and Results A couple of my favorites... ---------- 77. What do you call the activity of driving around in circles in a car? a. doing donuts (80.71%) b. doing cookies (1.74%) c. whipping shitties (1.43%) d. other (16.12%) (10011 respondents) Choice c: whipping shitties ---------- ---------- 80. What do you call it when rain falls while the sun is shining? a. sunshower (34.29%) b. the wolf is giving birth (0.04%) c. the devil is beating his wife (6.43%) d. monkey's wedding (0.16%) e. fox's wedding (0.15%) f. pineapple rain (0.03%) g. liquid sun (0.74%) h. I have no term or expression for this (55.15%) i. other (3.02%) (10691 respondents) Choice c: the devil is beating his wife ----------

Have to admit that I don't know a thing about Alexander von Schlippenbach, although I do own this one album - which I aquired because of Sam Rivers... Haven't listened to it in ages, but remember it being quite good.

You'll never guess what they call "doin' doughnuts" in Minnesota and Wisconsin (especially around the twin-cities area)... Harvard Dialect Survey: "whippin' shitties" (yes, that Harvard)

Larry Young, R.I.P. (killed in the line of duty): http://www.policememorial.ca/larry_young.html

He's also moved into politics: http://mlis.state.md.us/1997rs/sponsors/young.htm

Or this guy??? http://home.earthlink.net/~youngangelsranc...x.html.eln.bak/

Oops, maybe it's this guy: http://youngerfaces.com/doctor.htm

Excuse me, I was wrong before, Larry Young is clearly this guy: http://www.larryyoung.org/bio.htm

I thought Larry Young was this guy???

FYI, it took almost 400 "image hits' with Google's "image search", before I found a profile picture of Tiger without a Nike hat on!!!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again..... .....I'm not sure Joe ever turned in a sub-standard performance. In fact, the ONLY album of his that I have anything less than great things to say about, is his last one "Porgy & Bess", and really - it's not Joe's playing on it that keeps me from having liked it. I've loved damn near every album I've ever heard with Joe on it, including his many sideman dates. I'm not talking just about his 60's work, but everything of his in the 70's, 80's, and 90's too (both as a leader and as a sideman). How that there hasn't been any activity in releasing any previously unreleased Joe (since his death), is totally beyond me. There have to be some live tapes floating around that are worthy of being issued, either of Joe as a leader, or as a sideman. Surely Verve must have recorded him 'live' during his successful run with them in the 90's?? And surely there have to be some live dates of his floating around from the late 70's and 80's (similar to the three Woody Shaw "High Note" CD we've seen in the past 3 years). Where's some more Joe??? Even as a sideman?? There have to be some great tapes out there, wouldn't you think???

Joe is my all-time-favorite tenor player, period. IMHO, his best non-BN date is... Power to the People (Milestone, 1969)

Thanks Jim. I've heard it before, but I haven't bought it yet. Very cool concept, but I just haven't been in the right place at the right time with that particular CD in my hot little hands, with the extra $cratch to make it mine. One of these days, one of these days... Actually, there are a dozen really cool "all-Zappa" CD's out there, most "classical", but a couple "jazz"-related. Most are well worth picking up. I'll have to start a new thread about Zappa 'cover' albums sometime, and tell ya'll which one's are the best (IMHO).

(Before Joe "went to Vermont"), back when he was doing those 'songbook' albums for Verve (Strayhorn, Miles, Jobim, himself, Porgy & Bess), I seriously had dreams of Joe Henderson doing an all Zappa album of some sort. Didn't get so far as to pick the sideman, but I really did have dreams of hearing Joe work his magic on "King Kong", "Let's Make The Water Turn Black", "Alien Orifice" and a couple dozen other Zappa tunes. (I would have given my right arm for a project like that to have seen the light of day.)