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The only reason I think CD's looks better (than CDs), is because CD is a acronym. In other words, "CD" itself isn't a 'word' as such (to my way of thinking). So while I fully admit CD's doesn't look quite right, neither does CDs -- and for whatever reason, the former looks slightly better (to me) than the latter. Now would I pluralize UFO as UFO's? Maybe. Or is it UFOs? Same thing -- neither one looks right to me. Pluralizing an acronym is certainly something I do all the time, but more so in verbal communication. Still, on-line communication like this is WAY more 'verbal' than it is any sort of even semi-formal writing. In essence, all this Forum stuff is more like written verbal communication, stylistically speaking. So how to you write stuff that you wouldn't put in writing in most other contexts? Of course with text-messaging, and twitter, all kinds of norms for even "written verbal" communication are changing all the time.

Much as a I love Woody Shaw (and Bobby Hutcherson), I've never thought that Bobby's live at Montreux album was AS good as it should have been. It's pretty darn good, definitely, but I still have always felt like it could/should have been better. Haven't listened to it in years, so I should see if I still feel the same way. THAT SAID, San Francisco never hit me right, and I've always chalked that up to Joe Sample's inclusion on the date. I always wanted to like San Francisco better, but try as I might, I just never connected with it anywhere near as well as every single Hutcherson leader-date that preceded it, and more than half the Hutch dates in his 70's Mosaic Select too (I think that had 4 albums).

How have none of these been posted yet?

Perhaps CDs is more correct, but it looks “more wrong” than CD’s

I was pleased and a slightly surprised to have also gotten a push msg from NPR on my phone yesterday around Noon.

Some quick googling, and I’m seeing he played in St. Louis at Just Jazz in 1993 (and again in 1995). I think I probably saw him in ‘93... Here’s part of the review from the STL Post Dispatch... https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1P2-32830854/roditi-brazilian-feeling-in-samba-pop

Gosh. I think(?) I saw him live once too -- many, MANY years ago, back when I was in college. SUPER early in my jazz listening, like when I was a Junior year in college maybe. Would have been in St. Louis, at a club called Just Jazz (iirc), maybe around 1989-92? I'm gonna guess 1991, but I really can't remember. If it weren't for his rotary-valve trumpet -- which I half-remember seeing 'somebody' play live at some concert I went to (super-early, at one of the first 3-4 jazz clubs I ever went to -- I'm not 100% sure I would remember having seen him. NOT because he wasn't good, but just cuz I was so incredibly green. In any case, RIP. I'll try and Google around and see if I can find any evidence of him having played in St. Louis around that time -- at what I'm almost positive was Just Jazz (could swear that was the name of the club, down around 9th and Missouri I want to say, in Downtown STL). I only remember that as being the address, and my memory of the streets of St. Louis is so vague now, I couldn't even begin to tell you if that's right.

Didn't/haven't ordered the Mosaic, but the 2012 Japanese CD of Third Stream (with the one 'new' bonus track on the new Mosaic), and The Flip Conn -- I just gave both of these a spin... ...um, in solidarity?!

Gosh, I really need to dig out my Elvin Mosaic again -- which I don't spin nearly enough. I'd plum forgotten entirely (and have absolutely zero memory) that Byrd's tune "Fancy Free" was on Live at the Lighthouse -- so much so, that I'm scarcely sure I ever realized that (or like maybe 25 years ago, the last time I owned the "Lighthouse" dates on individual CD's (before I got the Mosaic). There's so many discographical details like that I used to know like the back of my hand, and I care barely remember 1/4th of them any more. Guess that was a lot easier when (20-25 years ago), I was pouring over my BN liners a lot more often, and not just thinking "been there, done that" with so much of the BN catalog, as I do now (which I still love, but don't spin anywhere near as much as I did 15-25 years ago). Then again, I don't spin as much music in general now, these days, it seems -- life just getting busier and busier sometimes.

Was this big Herbie box ever reissued in any sort of less crazy packaging than the massive clear cube thing? Not sure that would sway me towards jumping on buying it, but it might.

I like all those pre-Mizell electric leader-dates, but I get what you're saying Jim. They're not knock-outs, but I still dig 'em a lot. Also, I'm with you about Kofi maybe being the best of the bunch. What all those albums lack a little in sparkle from specific soloist, is a vibe and texture that really does work (for me anyway). I mean, if they were by any other less-well-known musicians, and on some smaller or independent label from around that same time, they'd be lost treasures. But cuz they're on BN, and by somebody like "Donald Byrd" - they're easier to write off as not quite up to being among his finest. But, yeah, Kofi!

Agreed! Certainly when I consider trumpeters' outputs from before 1963 (an arbitrary year where I've always felt more jazz started to get especially 'more interesting', even 'thorny')… ...I would have to put Little very near the very top of any top-10 list of notable trumpeters (pre-1963), at least to my tastes and way of thinking. Right up there with Clifford Brown, another incredible talent who left us much too soon.

I gotta tell you Hutch, you're really hitting it out of the park with all this -- and your writing is just a joy to read on my subway commutes. From today's Electric Byrd post, my reading "Another difference: Bitches Brew often seems like a limbless torso, with normal markers removed, an irrational, flowing shape" just put the biggest damn smile on my face. I'm sure I could pull other similarly delightful quotes from any number of the previous days entries. Engaging and thoughtful writing, that's both economical and a bit luxurious at the same time (no small feat). If I tried something like this, my posts would be 3x as long, and probably say half as much. If you'd ever want to consider pulling your entire year's worth of writing into a self-published book collecting up everything for posterity -- I'd be delighted to kick in $100 towards that end, like an informal sort of 'kickstarter'. Sign me up now, matter of fact, I'm already sold on the concept barely halfway through the first month. Bravo!

That Woody Shaw concert ensemble thing is also my single favorite Woody Shaw date ever, and maybe one of my top-10 all time favorite jazz albums. Just stunning, in every way imaginable - writing, arranging, soloing. A masterpiece.

OK, I got the thing working last night. 2 things you gotta do/know... 1) First, you have to register/sign-up (give them your email, and set a password). NOTE: They *don't* have you enter your password twice, and what you enter is obscured by asterisks as you key in each letter/digit. SO BE 100% SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SETTING THE PASSWORD TO. Each letter/digit is visible briefly, but look carefully to make sure you know what you're keying. ALSO, there does seem to be some minimum password length, but I can't remember if it was 6 or 8 characters (and there's nothing that says what it is). Mine is all alpha, so I *don't* think it's one of those things were you have to have at least one digit, and I know I didn't use any symbols. They do have a help/support email. 2) Then it's not exactly clear how to get anything to actually play, but all you have to do is click the song name from within each release. That took me a while to stumble on, and figure out, as there's no visible 'play' button -- but you just click the track name. There's also a repeat function and a shuffle mode too, but I don't remember if I tested those entirely. In the default mode, it plays the track you specify, and then the rest of the tracks on that same album in sequence. You can play all of the new releases, all of his Muse dates, and all of his Columbia dates -- all for FREE (which is really quite a bit) -- and Concert Ensemble at the Berliner Jazztage *does* include the one bonus track found on the Mosaic (which was the only new material on Shaw's Muse Mosaic, iirc) -- the 10-minute long "Sanyas" (Steve Turre). Another lesser-known thing you can play is the live "International Trumpet Guild" CD, which is up under 'new releases' (It's pretty much like the earlier Highnotes, vol 1-4, so I consider this basically vol 5), and here's the info on it... https://www.discogs.com/Woody-Shaw-Field-Recordings-Of-A-Jazz-Master/release/3851863 None of the 3(?) recent "Onkel Po's" dates are there (the two by Woody from 1979 and '82, iirc -- and one by Louis Hayes, makes 3 -- am I forgetting any?). But you CAN listen to the two recent Louis Hayes Highnotes. All that's free, and that's not too shabby, and nice to have at your fingertips anytime you need a Woody fix. Whether I delve into the rare stuff (at $13/month), is another story.

So those of you with the set already, how is the (presumably new) Essay? - i.e. the liner-notes?? Any new revelations? Or notable ones at least?

I just added it too. The “subscription rates” are $12.99/month, or $99.99/year — which appears to be what it takes to access and stream everything. Those prices are pretty “yikes!” As far as I’m concerned. Pretty steep pricing model. So that’d be like $300 over 3 years, then you gotta pony up a whole nother $100 for another year? I suppose 95% of their subscribers would go for a month or two, and then call it good once they’d heard everything a few times. Anyway, no matter how you slice it, that’s a pretty steep cost of entry. That said, the list of concerts you get access too is pretty long, much longer than I was expecting. Didn’t count, but maybe 45 audio concerts (maybe closer to 50?), and 20 videos (all of varying length, surely, some full-length concerts, some probably a song or three). If I subscribed, I’d have to (mentally) write off half of the cost as a sort of charitable contribution in support of what they’re trying to do. Gosh that price is steep, for any kind of ongoing access. EDIT: I did NOT subscribe, and if I did, I’d wait until August, about the only really slow month I have at work. Maybe I’m cheap, but their asking price seems like a big stretch for most.

I really need to pick up some of these earlier Mal leader-dates. I have whatever's on the Prestige Coltrane boxes -- so I'm seeing that's Mal/2 and The Dealers (plus the 3 Trane dates that Mal's a sideman on), but that's about it (maybe The Quest, which I know I used to own, but haven't seen in eons -- maybe I finally had enough of Ron Carter's cello? ). But I really need to get more of the rest of his pre-'69 output. I've heard several of them before, years ago (borrowed from friends), and have always meant to get more -- but I've been more obsessive about his 1969-1980 output.

Love, love, love that Albert Mangelsdorff Quartet date (Never Let It End). The title-track is probably the best of anything from the 70's that I've heard by him (comparable to several equally amazing 60's leader-dates of his, which are all spectacular, top to bottom). Had to pay a pretty penny for this 5-disc set, just to get this album on CD - but it was worth it (3 of the other 4 albums were all really great too, if all quite stylistically different from each other)... https://www.discogs.com/Albert-Mangelsdorff-Originals-Vol1/release/4267753

I could see getting this, even for a little cost. It is Woody, after all -- one of the only artists I'm still kind of a completist about (mostly). Like, I actually ditched a small handful of Andrew Hill and Joe Henderson CD's when I had to downsize almost 10 years ago (not lots, but maybe 10% each). But I've practically never gotten rid of anything with... or especially by Woody Shaw.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was seeing too. I'm hoping they'll either 1) send me a real CD at the $12 price I ordered it at (even if it was one of the other listings, perhaps higher priced -- but I'd like them to honor the price I paid). The other prices are close to double (or more!). Or 2) if they want to credit me my $12, and let me keep the CDR -- I'd be fine with that too. But I'm expecting the worst case, which is either keep what I got (no refund), or send it back (full refund). Those are certainly the "automated" options. Maybe if I can talk to a real person -- or go through a 'chat' -- I'm hoping maybe I can maybe get a better outcome. I'll mess with it this weekend sometime. Thanks for all the links and phone-contact info everyone, and any other advice. It's a nifty date -- sort of "free-jazz"-leaning covers of super-early Pink Floyd (Syd Barrett-era) tunes, and Syd solo tunes (more solo-Syd than Floyd, unfortunately, but it's all good). Trumpet, guitar, and drums. Here's they are (were) live, back in 2009...

I must have copied the wrong numbers for one of the sets from my badly scrawled notes. It was a very long day at work yesterday. I'll have to check tonight. I'm practically positive it was two different sets of prices (and 3rd-party venders). Thank you. Somehow I couldn't seem to find this page yesterday, again it was a long day.

But where do you access the on-line chat function? I looked for about 10 minutes earlier, and for the life of me I couldn’t find any recourse other than their automated return process. That said, I’m glad to give them a phone call (thanks Jim for that number!), probably this weekend when I have a little more time. Thx again!

I just got a CDR in the mail from Amazon, of this title (link below) -- which I can find absolutely no mention of it being a CDR on Amazon's listing. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001L4LAC6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00 Is my only recourse to go through their automatic return robots, which generates a mailing label to send it back to them? There appear to be other instances of the same title coming up as being available on CD -- but only when I interface through Amazon's app on my phone (I'm not seeing the same options when I got through the web-interface on my laptop). And before you say those are various new/used copies from third-party sellers (and they are), the thing is that NONE of the other buying options (and prices) I'm seeing through the Amazon app interface match any of the seller names (and prices) that show on the web-interface. When I do pull it up on my laptop, there is a link that says "5 formats and editions" and the prices/options on my phone are priced: $11.99 (doesn't say CDR, but this is the CDR version I got), $18.10, $26.85, $30.37, plus the MP3 edition for $9.49 (equals *5* formats and editions total). But on the web-interface on my laptop, the options are $11.99 (CDR, doesn't say CDR though), $18.10, $26.85, and $30.37, plus the MP3 edition for $9.49. You might notice that NONE of the non-CDR, non-MP3 versions match in price (or what I'm hoping are non-CDR versions). And oddly enough, the versions through my phone all have "in-stock" inventories of variously 4, 5, or 6 copies available (whereas on the web-version on my laptop) none of the other 3rd-party seller listings have inventory # listened (so I guess it's "1" that's in-stock?). AND none of the 3rd-party seller names on the Amazon app listings, match ANY of the names of the 3rd-party sellers on the web-interface listings (and none of the prices match at all, as you can see above). I won't type out all the names, but none of the seller-names are even remotely similar. Is there any way to "chat" with anyone at Amazon about any of this? -- or is it all just automated, and my only recourse is to return it (and get a mailing label from them). Ideally I'd like to plead my case that I was sent the wrong item -- a CDR, when what I ordered (based on how it was listed) was a real CD -- and I'd like them to honor the $11.99 price I paid for what was supposed to be a CDR -- and have them send one of the other ones. (Wishful thinking, I know.) But I can't find ANY way to bring up a "chat" with customer service type thing. The only other return I ever had with Amazon was about 2 years ago (this month), for something I'd bought about 2 months before (so it was outside of their 30-day window), but I only opened the item on Jan 1st (and it was defective). It was my annual replacement rotary blades for my razor, which I start a new set of every year (on Jan 1), and the interface did give me a way to chat about it (I guess cuz it was over 30 days). Turns out they had LOTS, and LOTS of returns on those rotary razor blades (and dozens of complaints in the reviews of the item too), so they did let me return them. But this is different, because I don't want a replacement for the same item -- I want them to send me a real CD (instead of a CDR) at the price they had listed for what was supposed to be a real CD. I guess my only option is to return it, but in a perfect world, if any of their other inventory is actual CD's, I'd like to make a case for getting a replacement item from that inventory. (But I suppose I'm fucked.) Just venting, more than anything. Guess I've got 30 days to mull it over -- whether to just keep it, and go on -- or return it. I sure as hell don't want to pay twice as much for something that may (or may not) actually be a real CD, and would rather have Amazon send me one of the other ones at the price they offered. Oh well, enough of my yappin'. If anyone has any magic advice, that'd be awesome, though I fear there's none to be had.