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Does anyone have a discography of these that could be posted here or mailed? This is probably the one Mosaic production I am most sad about not having been around in time to get it!

Cool album cover! I think it's silly really. So silly that it's cool again, but still silly. The album or the cover? It's out as a digipack "LPR", right? Got an earful of this in a store last week - I don't have the knowlege of it's surroundings so I can't really make a statement if it's better or worse, but I *love* Lateef and this came as quite a shock, I'm afraid... I think that they contain genuine playing and some attempt at artistic merit. For example, Miles' solo on "Code MD" on "Decoy" is a decent jazz solo. The long blues near the end of "Decoy" is not a commercialized cut. "You're Under Arrest" is a mess, in my opinion, but one can discern some artistic vision behind the efforts, as muddled as the results of the vision turned out. An album like Freddie Hubbard's "Splash" is far worse than these Miles efforts. "Splash" is pure schlock--disco lite, annoying even as elevator music or dental office music, with no redeeming value. If there is an album where Miles veered into over-commercialization, I would cite "Amandla", which to me has an almost easy listening sound to it. I agree with Claude here. "Amandla" has a couple of very good cuts (Mr. Pastorius, anyone?), so does "Decoy". "Under Arrest" never interested me much - too many bits and pieces (plus one of the worst album covers I've seen...) As for Eddie Harris, I'm not familiar with all his Atlantic albums, but "Plug Me In" or "Sylver Cycles" for instance have lots of great moments, and EH somehow just could pull this thing! His sound, you can even detect it on varitone very much, always was fitting for this kind of "sweet" stuff - his first hit, "Exodus" is where it all began, I think. In between he did those great quartet/quintet sessions with Cedar Walton and Billy Higgins, but even there, on some ballads, the side of his that's deemed "commercial" is there, I think. Anyway, I love him and think you can't blame him, with all the hardness and lack of recognition he had all through his life.

Sorry I'm a day late and a dollar short to comb through 500 pages of this Hysterical Mouse thread, but which Clusone 3 disk did you pick up? I have Soft Light and Sweet Music, and like that one quite a bit. I should add that I'm not familiar with the other Clusone titles-is it the Rara Avis one? Yup, "Rara Avis" (title mentioned in the post you quoted, but I didn't bring together titles and artists...). The other one, "An Hour With" is still around, too, but "Rara Avis" had been listed as OOP for years and now suddenly it isn't - probably they found another box of it somewhere... I only with the first McPhee solo ("As Serious as Your Life", hatO 514) would turn up again, too! Also Shipp's "Multiplicator Table" I missed, but at least I got a CDR of it... I also miss Gregorio's "Ellipsis" and Mat Maneri's "Acceptance" but I'm less sure I need these.

My question was actually if the bonus "Our Love Is Here to Stay" was the same as the one mentioned being on that other 4LP release... I knew there was a bonus version of that tune on the VEE, of course... Thanks for giving some info on the Lonehill, Garth - guess this one goes on my list, then, for lack of better options...

some samples up here, now: link - note that they're encoded at a crappy 128 are indeed just tasters that ought to bring some interest in the real thing! Support the artists as well as Jacques and his label by buying the actual product!

bumping this up again - discussions have barely started yet, so there's plenty of time to still join in! this also goes as an alert to those who got my spam PM without asking for the links - still plenty of time to download the files and give the music a listen, I'd enjoy any additional participants! also if anyone still hasn't figured out how to get the effing links to work or how to unpack these darnded rar-files, let me know and I will help you!

Cleveland made 4 lps for Emarcy. All 4 LPs are included in the Lonehill double CD. That reissue even includes a track ('Our Love is Here To Stay') that was not on any of the LPs but first appeared on the Mercury VSOP 4LPs box in Japan Yeah, you see, I'm trying so hard to stay away from the evil Lonehill that I didn't even know how many albums it contained. I assume brownie, that "Our Love is Here to Say" is the track included as a bonus on the VEE edition of "Introducing"?

My "Rara Avis" and "Root of the Problem" hatOLOGY discs have already arrived. Gave the Clusone a spin and love it as much as I did last time (had it on CDR, copied from a library that had a copy). About the Potlatch sale, check out this post @ my blog with short reviews and look for the next post in an hour or so with some samples from these 8 discs! (crappy 128 kbs samples - I want people to buy the actual discs!)

The Cleveland can be had on a 2CD Lonehill "complete" set, in case you're interested in that... (I have the VEE, don't have the Lonehill, but it's still tempting to get the other two albums...)

Happy Birthday!

I love the Ilori and enjoy the Sabu as well! Great indeed to have some Arsenio Rodriguez... I know some of his tunes but don't have anything else with him.

First one that came to mind was the Bohemia material with Mobley, but Golson is terrific on "Moanin'" and of course there's "Free for All" and the Blakey/Monk album with great Griffin!

Happy Birthday!

I assume you all are aware that Potlatch has another June sale going on now... ordered five more, as if I need them... and gave all the ones I have a spin again - will do a little write-up and add some samples soon on my blog, in case you're interested! The Lazro/Zingaro duo, "Hauts plateaux", is about to go OOP - act quick, it might be the best of them all! It's fantastic, to say the least! Also that site here: www.discplus.ch, in fact does deliver the OOP hatOLOGY discs I mentioned in that post on my blog - I got "Rara Avis" and "Root of the Problem" yesterday (along with 10 or 12 other hatO discs, all for that tiny sweet price)!

thanks a lot for the headers, I already put one in use!

Guy I'm not sure there... avantgarde is not avantgarde any longer if it's 30 or 40 years old. It may be historically considered as avantgarde still, but hey, just if the public didn't catch up doesn't mean Brötzmann is still avantgarde - he's doing his schtick for too long now...

Jackie is most definitely stretching the boundaries of hard bop on several of the BN recordings, most notably Destination Out and the recording with Ornette, New and Old Gospel. This is the standard view of Jackie. As Steve Huey writes in his review of 1962's "Let Freedom Ring" "Jackie McLean had always been a highly emotional soloist, so it makes sense that he was one of the first hard bop veterans to find a new voice in the burning intensity of jazz's emerging avant-garde. McLean had previously experimented with Coltrane's angular modes and scales and Ornette's concept of chordal freedom...." So, whatever label it is called, several of Jackie's blue note recordings are good recommendations for someone who has expressed an interest in exploring music beyond hard bop. Yeah, sure he's stretching boundaries of hardbop, nothing I ever would deny! (And mind me, I love Jackie's BN output, have all or most of it!) But Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" had stretched hardbop limits, too, so did "Milestones" already. And how about Lennie Tristano's stuff? Nothing new under the sun in stretching the boundaries of hardbop - even more so as hardbop is very formulaic music that can be very tiring to listen if you're in for a slightly more adventurous and open-minded ride (that's my opinion, of course)! Mingus was stretching boundaries of hardbop as early as the late 40s I guess, but we can also agree on "Pithecantropus Erectus" (1956 - of course McLean is there again). Also, that's something else I find interesting: much of this boundary-stretching music I find much more "soulful" than stuff subsumed under the label "soul jazz" (Mingus prime example, but also things on Archie Shepp's early Impulse albums have that quality - nothing against "soul jazz", although I find the label about as stupid as "free jazz", this here being one of the main reasons).

The absolute best! Thanks, good to hear that! Wow, I even got a shipping confirmation over night - not something you usually get from marketplace sellers, do you!?

speaking vocalion, there's also this great one:

had some sort of nightmare last night... a torn in two pieces package from Mosaic lying in my mailbox... ouch! hope this is not a bad omen about my Roach set which is still trying to find its way here!

yes, that's true... it was more the kind of talk that happened after the initial question that started annoying me a bit... but for now I'll take a bow...

The trumpet w/sax mouthpiece can be seen here, don't know what the third thing is...

Harris is one the forgotten/ignored greats. Not saying he was underrated, I don't care much for that concept - rather he was taken as kind of gimmick too often, it seems... all of the Atlantic albums I've got so far (on CD, that is) are fine or better, and he truly had his own sound, even to an extent on the electric tenor. Lon, you remember correctly. There's a good example on this Enja disc: http://www.jazzrecords.com/enja/7079.htm And this disc also has his fantastic solo intro to "Funkaroma" to start things off - a great album!

Both Koch and Collectables licensed the Weston from Atlantic. I'm pretty sure Atlantic supplied both with the same transfer. Collectables earned a bad reputation (for sound) in the early days but that has changed in the last few years. Their packaging has not improved at the same rate. Ah, ok. I thought that Koch would have done the mastering themselves... My collection still isn't big on Collectables, but there's lots of stuff there that would be nice to have, eventually!