Larry Kart

For an example of latter-day Woods at his cheesiest/most un-compositional, check out "Watch What Happens" from this album (which believe it or not I own a copy of): http://www.amazon.com/American-Songbook-Phil-Woods-Quintet/dp/B000QEILFQ A blatant piece of bebop pole dancing, IMO.

The Bell brothers recorded some great stuff. That Australian Trad scene was something else.

The great river Time...

Some vintage compositional Woods (the first track [mistitled] though quite good, is surpassed IMO by his solos on "Walkin'" and "A Sleeping Bee" from this album, but I can't find them on YouTube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8YrK05Q4rY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V_AH-nz0SE

Yup, especially "compositional."

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IMO, with few exceptions, after "Sugan" there isn't much Woods that's in the same class with his earlier work, which I generally like a lot. Using a shorthand phrase that I've used before, he was a jazz musician who seemed almost overnight to become a jazzy musician, full of, by his own earlier standards, rather arbitrarily placed gestures of hotness, while at the same time his formerly quite shapely lines -- in particular, his Benny Carter/Don Stovall-like taste for placing/bouncing phrases in one register off of phrases another -- seemed to become much more generically boppish. A story I've told before: At some point in the mid-1980s, Woods brought his group to Rick's Cafe Americain in Chicago. Expecting the usual bells and whistles, I was delighted to encounter some of the most relaxed and lucid playing I'd heard from Woods in years. After the last tune, Woods apologized for the tepid nature of the first set, explaining that because of transportation problems they'd gotten almost no sleep the night before, and he urged everyone to stick around for the next set, where he promised they'd really get things together. I stuck around, and the second set was akin to/worthy of Richie Cole. Obviously just my opinion, but I do wonder how someone can listen to the Woods of, for example, Jon Eardley"s "Pot Pie" or Quincy Jones "This Is How I Feel Ablut Jazz" and not at least hear how different it is from most later Woods. If you prefer later Woods, fine; but the differences, again, are pretty fundamental.

Nope...got me there Get your "Baby" Ruth bars?

Years ago a friend in San Francisco saw and made a drawing of (it's on my wall) a grocer's window in which there were these words: "Bing" Cherries

By my understanding, neither forum rule 7 or 9 excludes song lyrics, as I explained above. And the reason we don't allow whole articles, etc. posted but only links to them is simple. That which is linked to has been put up on the Internet by those who have put it there in the hope that it will be linked to. If they didn't want it to happen, there would be no link to link to. The objection here to posting the entire article or whatever is that doing so denies the party who placed the article or whatever on the Internet in the hope that others will link to it that which the party wants in return -- an increased number of page views. All of Jim's forum rules are based in common sense, I believe. Just read them and follow them. If there are arcane or special cases, just ask -- Jim or one or more of the moderators will consult their Quiji boards. We forget Ronnie Scott's greatest witticism: "Who shot the couch?"

Given the fact that Williams was four years older than Buddy Stewart (b. 1918 vs. 1922) and was working as a pro in his teens, it's very unlikely that he was influenced by Stewart, as I suggested above. But their approach to standards was somewhat similar and hip (no finger-popping shtick, just flowing horn-like phrasing) -- similar IMO even though Williams was a baritone and Stewart a tenor.

Another thread exists on this topic. This one is now closed.

Did Baraka have anything to say about Nica other than that snippet? I'm curious because I get the feeling that he didn't know her/get to observe her much if at all but simply slotted her into one of his pre-existing categories of execration. If so, not a particularly nice/smart thing to do, albeit an economical manuever -- you've got to leave open as many brain cells as possible for really important stuff. Further, from what I know about Nica (no direct contact on my part, though) she was as close to a one-off as could be, not a standard or even non-standard jazz groupie or dilletante of the sort that the young Baraka would have been familiar with or even have slept with (as one of his transitional poems of enraged self-disgust (quoted by me on an earlier thread) goes into much detail.

I agree. That's among the reasons why he reminded me of that hip band singer Buddy Stewart, who might in fact have been an influence on the young Williams, given their ages and the era in which Stewart was popular before he died and was pretty much forgotten.

Maybe I put it poorly/confusingly, but here are forum rules 7&9: 7) We do not allow sharing, trading, or linking copyrighted material that is being offered illegally, including bootlegs. 9) When posting articles from other websites, do not quote the entire article. Please post a small snippet, then include a hyperlink to the full article. See this post as an example. Sharing lyrics of copyrighted songs would, I think, not fall into the "being offered illegally" class because there is no medium for the sale of lyrics alone, though posting pdf files of sheet music plus lyrics of copyrighted songs would violate rule 7 because there is a legal medium for the sale of sheet music, plus of course an illegal one. Jim will correct me if I'm wrong about what I've just said, but if he doesn't, please don't argue with me about this on some "gotcha, you hypocrite" basis -- I have no time for that; besides it's Jim site and his rules. I just enforce them as best I can.

Always respected and kind of enjoyed the Williams-Basie material, while feeling, based on some latter-day club experiences, that his heart really was in singing standards in a cool-warm hip manner. Recently picked up "Together/Have A good Time," which combines two fine albums he did with Harry Edison for Roulette in 1961, and that feeling was very much confirmed. BTW, I said cool-warm because even though his voice is a warm baritone, his laid-back more or less cool phrasing reminds me very much of the late lamented Buddy Stewart (b. 1922 -- he was a tenor), who sang with the Krupa and Barnet bands and died in a car crash at age 27. Stewart's hipness, as I think is the case with Williams, is all in the near-horn like phrasing, relaxed and quite saxophone-ish. I think that '60s Williams -- Roulette, RCA -- may be the place for me. Any suggestions?

Freelancer -- Read the forum rules. No. 9 says that you can't post complete entries of actually or possibly copyrighted material, only links to that material. If you don't know why that rule is in force, we'll explain it to you, but don't do it again.

Freelancer -- Forum rules prohibit the quoting in full of copyrighted material. Here is a link to the Stanley Crouch review of Kastin's book that you quoted in your post on this thread, which I deleted because of that forum rule: http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Reviews-Essays/Nica-s-Dream/ba-p/5197

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Howard Deitz's "By Myself": (Verse) The party's over, the game is ended, the dreams I dreamed went up in smoke. They didn't pan out as I had intended; I should know how to take a joke. (Chorus) I'll go my way by myself, this is the end of romance. I'll go my way by myself, love is only a dance. I'll try to apply myself and teach my heart to sing. I'll go my way by myself like a bird on the wing, I'll face the unknown, I'll build a world of my own; No one knows better than I, myself, I'm by myself alone. I'll go my way by myself, here's how the comedy ends. I'll have to deny myself love and laughter and friends. Grey clouds in sky above have put a blot on my fun. I'll try to fly high above for a place in the sun. I'll face the unknown, I'll build a world of my own; No one knows better than I, myself, I'm by myself alone.

Also, I think that Cohn has his guitar set up in an overly treble-ly manner. After a tune or two, his tone literally gives me a headache.

Cohn's recent "Fuego" (Cross Cross) sounds pretty lively to me, but in general I find him to be a snooze-inducer. The guitarist of that general age group and style who has caught my ear is Jonathan Kreisberg.

Speaking of "Story of My Life," Jay McInerey's 1987 novel of that title -- about a cocaine-addled, promiscuous young woman named Allison Poole whom McInerney himself was involved with off and on back then-- is based on the author's relationship with Rielle Hunter, now famous as John Edwards' mistress and the mother of his child. The title phrase is one that Ms. Hunter would use after relating to Jay her latest and typically harrowing-debasing misadventure. Little, it would seem, has changed. A (perhaps) surprisingly accomplished and amusing book, in any case. http://www.amazon.com/Story-My-Life-Jay-McInerney/product-reviews/B004KAB4OW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rielle_Hunter

Story of my life.