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Who else has been a catalyst in several styles?

I've heard different numbers. Can anyone give an accurate number & the name of each style?

I wasn't responding to your comment as much as others. Your comment does point out why some of my comments are critical. I thought it might be interesting for someone to say Kind Of Blue bores me. Maybe I should've said Kind Of Blue kind of bores me. It's just a bit on the mellow side for me personally. After coming off of Milestones, I didn't slide into that sound very well. I remember feeling annoyed when listening to it, but compared to the rest of the box, I always felt that way. The same way I feel about the 2nd quintet box; about half of the time I'm wondering where the theme of the song is. Especially with the ESP album, most of the themes just pass right by me. I have no problem with that, they just don't stick with me as much as others. There is a comment in the Milestones book that mentions the sameiness of the 2nd quintet & I've always felt that since I bought the box 6 years ago. It's not bad, it's just leaves me feeling not as excited as others who love this stuff. I was looking forward to feeling that & for the most part, never did aside from Williams's drumming. Maybe if I posted like this first, it would've been a better angle to come from. Saying short statements on the internet can look like someone is saying "...so fuck you" at the end of every sentence even though it's not what you meant. I really liked Miles Smiles as Gingerbread Boy is what made me buy the set after seeing a clip from the Ken Burns Jazz doc.

Yes this is happening. I did not expect this to sound as critical as it did. Didn't realize it until after it was posted. I apologize, I just thought it might have a good point of conversation somewhere. I'll keep listening, but won't post how I felt about the rest of it.

Really? I'm pretty sure it was you Jim. Also I'm not listening to them all at once. I listen to them in my car. It's been about 2 months now. About the Williams comment, that's just an opinion. It's how I felt listening to it this particular time.

Has anyone ever done this? Listened to all of Davis's legit releases back to back? I own the box sets, not the regular albums unless they weren't included in the sets. I put them on my ipod. I think I like Davis more than Coltrane which is news to me. There have been a few Coltrane albums I got rid of, not many, but a few (I don't need another live version of Impressions or My Favorite Things and some sideman stuff). The worst of Davis is still really good. I wouldn't be call it the worst either, just albums I don't like as much as others. It's easy to say the worst of Coltrane was his free period, but I like a lot of that though it doesn't stick with me the way something more melodic or funky, in the case of 70's Davis, does. I'm not going through each album here, I just thought I'd note some things I felt while listening. I'm up to the 3rd disc on the 65-68 box right now. I think I just finished the Sorcerer album. I'm re-reading the books Milestones & So What as I listen to all of this. I always liked Birth Of The Cool & the earlier Prestige stuff. Surprisingly, the stuff with Coltrane on Prestige never really did much for me, yet I love the Columbia box a lot more. I think it's just down to the choice of songs. I like the melodies on the Columbia box more than the Prestige Coltrane stuff. I went back and relistened to the whole Prestige box again and liked it a bit more. I wanted to give it another chance thinking maybe I was that into it when I started doing this. The Blue Note albums are just alright, not special to my ears. I remember liking the Lift To The Scaffold soundtrack initially, but this listen I was bored by it. I think it was all of the outtakes, whereas I like the regular album with all the reverb on it. I wasn't crazy about the 2nd half of Cannonball's Something Else, 1st half is good. The only "bootleg" I have is two sets from the last tour with Coltrane in 1960 and I still like those. Kind Of Blue bores me. I love Au-Leu-Cha at a fast tempo. I love the 1st disc of the box set the most. I love how fast the Newport set is. I didn't expect to like the Gil Evans stuff and I think I got a cdr from Jim Sangrey of Miles Ahead back in the BNBB days. I liked it which was surprising because I didn't think I liked the muted sound of Davis's trumpet though with the box set, I got tired of hearing anything from Miles Ahead over & over. I thought I would need a break from it, but didn't stop. I like Quiet Nights more than Sketches Of Spain. Porgy & Bess is bluesier than I realized and that's a good thing. I don't like jazz vocal that much, but I like Bob Douroughs' songs. The Mobley period I thought would feel really long as I think he's not that interesting a player and it's difficult coming after Coltrane. I thought I'd be bored by the Blackhawk box, but it was o.k. I also thought I'd be bored by all of the live albums between 61-65. Again, it was o.k. I thought I'd be tired of the same songs being repeated so much as I'm not as into each solo from versions of the same song. I don't compare them unless they really stand out to me like Mobley's solo on So What from the Carnegie Hall show with Gil Evans in '61. I think the rest of the Someday My Prince Will Come album should've been part of the 63-64 box so that all the studio albums are on the sets. I know it would've changed the theme of that box. And the live Evans on the Evans box too. More compression was needed when recording Davis with a mute. It can be fucking piercing. Tony Williams is the Coltrane of the 2nd quintet and the Live At Antibes set is his best playing released so far along with the 2nd set of the 2nd night of the Plugged Nickel. I like the fact that Sam Rivers sounds like Coltrane to me. Wayne Shorter does not grab my attention during a solo unless he goes a bit out. Without Williams, I don't see what so great about the 2nd quintet. I think it really pointless to throw The Theme riff in there all the time & have it sound ragged just to signal the end of the set unless they play it as an actual song. Why didn't Parker, Monk, Davis & Coltrane play different songs live instead of the same ones all the fucking time? More to come...

I'm always amazed at how quiet the Evans/Davis box is. The box was remastered right?

I think I'm thinking of the right person; his son, Dez, was a one time singer for Black Flag (just before Henry Rollins). The only record he sang on was the Six Pack EP.

Dr Pepper issues challenge to Guns N' Roses NEW YORK (Billboard) - Many have tried, but so far nobody has been able to pry the decade-in-the-works Guns N' Roses album "Chinese Democracy" from the hands of lone remaining original member Axl Rose. Now, Dr Pepper thinks it's up to the challenge. The soft drink company says it will give a free can of Dr Pepper to "everyone in America" (excluding ex-Guns members Slash and Buckethead) if "Chinese Democracy" arrives anytime during the calendar year 2008. Rose responded on his band's web site (http://www.gunsnroses.com) that the band was "surprised and very happy to have the support of Dr Pepper." But the offer did not prompt him to rose to the challenge. "Chinese Democracy" was most recently scheduled for release in March 2007, but promptly vanished from the schedule without a new date being set. Rose said at the time that all the recording had been completed, but there were some "scheduling difficulties." It will be the first album of fresh Guns N' Roses material since the 1991 sets "Use Your Illusion I" and "Use Your Illusion II." Rose has reportedly burned through $13 million in recording expenses for "Chinese Democracy," and also burned his bridges with the bandmates who helped him turn Guns into one of the biggest rock groups in the world by the early 1990s. _________________

I heard on NPR yesterday that he died this week. How did no one know? Or did they?

Check out Bart's story: Episode Detail: Love, Springfieldian Style - Simpsons Homer and Marge celebrate Valentine's Day by going on the Tunnel of Love ride at a carnival, but they end up stranded when Bart pulls a prank involving gelatin. To pass the time, Homer tells the love story of Bonnie and Clyde, Marge tells her version of "Lady and the Tramp," and Bart tells the love story of Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen.

Here's a piece of trivia: On Hart's Good News For Modern Man, the song In A Cold House was originally done for the Huskers album they were working on when they broke up. It had different words & was called Get Along With Me. There is another on Mould's electronica album that was done at the same time in Husker called Trade.

Go to youtube and type in husker du patio. I think the whole show is there.

That's the show that has made the rounds as a video bootleg. Was it 6/21/85? I had an EP called Drug Party which had 2 versions of that song on the best one was from that show. I have a bad video of it.

What was so bad about him? My opinion is based on not liking his music as much as I used to, not that I thought he was a bad performer.

What was so bad about him? My opinion is based on not liking his music as much as I used to, not that I thought he was a bad performer.

Despite Husker Du still being one of my favorite bands, I have no desire to see Bob Mould. The last album I bought of his was 1998's The Last Dog & Pony Show. Starting with Sugar's Beaster in 1993, he hasn't floated my boat the way he used to. I'll still give Grant Hart a shot. I liked his last album, 1999's Good News For Modern Man. He's working on an album now. I bought The Gang Font feat. Interloper which has Greg Norton on bass and someone from The Bad Plus. That was pretty good. Interesting story: I am friends with a woman who's uncle is Malcolm Travis who played drums in Sugar. I had asked her if she knew why Sugar broke up and was sure, but though she was told that Mould's a primadonna. Just last night I saw her at a show and she said Travis had visited her over the holidays. She & her husband are in a band together, but couldn't find the time to play with Travis which she was sad about. She asked him about Sugar's breakup & it evidently had to do with a tv show Ryko wanted them to appear on. It was mainstream show and Mould did not want to do it. I guess there was a lot of tension between him & the label over this and it broke up the band. What's interesting is that Husker Du broke up over a show also. They were scheduled to do an acoustic show in NY; an AIDS benefit. Hart was using methidone while going through heroin withdrawl. He put his supply on ice in a sink during a show & the bottle leaked and he didn't have any more. They had one more show on a brief tour, but Hart felt he could do it. Mould took it upon himself not only to cancel that show, but also their set on the benefit show a week later without consulting Hart. I think Hart may have had a hand in the benefit also. Four days later Hart quit. Six weeks later, Mould tended his resignation to Warner Brothers from Husker Du. Their last show was 20 years ago on 12/11/87. Mould quit on 1/28/88. http://www.thirdav.com/oddstuff/resign.html Mould's resignation from Husker Du

I was one of many who was turned onto him because of this commercial. That's never happened to me before. Every time that came on I stopped whatever I was doing to listen. The song really grabbed me along with his voice. Still does.

So it was taken from Helen Butte/Mr Freedom X?

Yes, I thought that too about One & One. I also wonder what part of On The Corner made Black Satin.

Pardon my ignorance, but I've noticed the Helen Butte/Mr Freedom X unedited master is 5 seconds longer than the released version. How different are the two?

Oh John B, there is such a thing for me as too much Jandek & I hit the wall a year & a half ago. At most I had 45 albums, I now have 19. Ready for The House Six & Six Later On Chair Beside A Window Living In A Moon So Blue (your favorite & now a personal favorite of mine along with...) Staring At The Cellophane (...this one) Your Turn To Fall Telegraph Melts Follow Your Footsteps Blue Corpse You Walk Alone On The Way Graven Image Lost Cause The Beginning I Threw You Away Glasgow Sunday Newcastle Sunday Glasgow Monday I've had no urge to buy any more though if one is talked up like Glasgow Monday was, I certainly buy it. His last one was a live 4 cd set. Too much depression for me.

Now that we have this box set, has anyone gone through the '75 live albums and figured out what songs are there? I remember What They Do is on one of them.

Well, so long to this thread. I can't believe this is where I posted the most on a fucking jazz board. I need 7 more posts to hit 700!

That's the one I got, believe it or not. It sounds just like the regular release, all overdriven & such on the album tracks.