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I'm glad Duke Pearson got a vote. He carried "the sound" and defined it during the last glory years of the label. Of course, I voted for Silver, but Sonny Clark and Herbie Hancock could have received the vote as well.

Hmm, looks like Larry Young, INTO SOMETHING is running away with it. Well why not; it's a great cover.

Jimmy, I am probably more aligned to your political philosophy than I am to Chris', but what you seem to be overlooking is the fact that you are hastily judging someone based on a few postings. You have to know someone a bit before dismissing them in some kneejerk fashion. Your points against Chris simply don't mean anything because you don't know the man. Chris is passionate about what he believes in, but I have found him to be fair and articulate. It is worth listening to what he has to say. You made an all too quick judgment of the man, before getting to know him a bit. You are the one acting precipitously and irrationally here. You've got to see people beyond how they may appear on the surface. I suppose this is part of what Chris calls maturity. Think about it. In the meantime, I join the crowd that continues to welcome you here if you so desire. I personally love the "politics" section and do not get all worked up if someone happens to disagree with me, but you don't have to particpate there if you get all wound up about it. Remember, Chris never attacked you in any way. Peace! :rsly:

Mine was the lone vote for STEPPIN OUT. I like the social implications there. Funniest is definitely GOOD GRACIOUS. Couldn't resist sticking that one in the list. Love the photography of ROYAL FLUSH. Great match of music and picture on INTO SOMETHING, SMOKESTACK and JUJU.

I wouldn't get too excited, Mnytime. This particular "stalker" judging by his English can't be older than 10 years old.

Man, was it ever tough to keep this down to just 10 selections! Had to leave out other worthies such as: Grant Green, LATIN BIT Donald Byrd, OFF TO THE RACES, CATWALK Horace Silver, STYLINGS OF SILVER, TOKYO BLUES, JODY GRIND, SERENADE TO A SOUL SISTER Andrew Hill, JUDGMENT Big John Patton, OH BABY!, ACCENT ON THE BLUES, GOT A GOOD THING GOIN, LET EM ROLL Sonny Clark, COOL STRUTTIN Jackie Mclean, DEMON'S DANCE, A FICKLE SONANCE Jimmy Smith, MIDNIGHT EXPRESS, CRAZY! BABY McCoy Tyner, EXPANSIONS Bobby Hutcherson, HAPPENINGS, PATTERNS Duke Pearson, SWEET HONEY BEE, WAHOO Wayne Shorter, SPEAK NO EVIL, SCHIZOPHRENIA (to name just a few!) Let us know also some of your other favorites not listed here.

Looks like STREET OF DREAMS was the big winner finishing ahead of SMOKESTACK. I find this very interesting at it was my choice as well, and I was wondering if I was one of the few who actually feel this was a great session. For the record, I thought that the "entire Patton discography" would win hands down. I've got to work on my next poll now...

My feelings also. BTW, I believe as the reissuing phases out that cds will develop a "collector's value," as vinyl has today. Would love to hear what others think about this.

Mine is one of my favorite chess openings (as black.) I was lucky enough to stumble upon something that would serve as an avatar on chessbase.com. Hmm, favorites? I would have to see them all again. Problem with those who change theirs frequently is that the avatar helps to identify the poster.

Is there a future for reissues as well? I would imagine that if the new artists don't sell enough then the labels won't feel compelled to sell reissues either; or perhaps they will just focus on the main ones; sort of like Blue Note focusing on RVGs only. Doesn't matter where you buy your stuff, online or in retail stores, the main question here is whether jazz will be phased out to just issuing main titles owing to insufficient interests.

I would like to ask you all what might be the next popular form for recorded music. We've gone from vinyl to cassette (forget 8-track!) to cds. What's next? The second part of my question would be what is likely to happen to our cd collections in terms of value once the next popular form takes hold of the consumers. Vinyl has retained value while cassettes are virtually worthless. Which path would the cd likely to follow: that of vinyl or that of cassette (in terms of antique value?)

I was in a music shop in a college town over the weekend and noticed that their "jazz space" had shrunk since my previous visit. I asked the owner what was going on and he said that they had reduced the offerings in order to create space for other types of music. So what happens to the cds when they retrench? Do they go into the bargain bins or are they sent back to the labels? He said that they send back whatever they can then put the others into the bargain bins. My question for you all is what is the future for jazz cds? Is the market shrinking, and are the labels less likely to reissue old stuff? Do the sales of the reissues justify the whole exercise of reissuing out of print titles?

Anthropologists believe that modern humans migrated out of Africa approximately 100,000 years ago and thus began the populating of the world. (See AFRICA: A Biography of a Continent, by John Reader.) All mankind at that time was probably black. We are all brothers and sisters for sure.

Anyone interested in: Johnny Hodges, EVERYBODY KNOWS JOHNNY HODGES ($8.50) Ahmad Jamal, FREEFLIGHT ($7) Ahmad Jamal, CRYSTAL ($6) John Patton, UNDERSTANDING (sealed and unopened w/ notch on spine ($16) Reuben Wilson, ORGAN DONOR ($7) Just add $2 for sh/h to US addresses. All are in excellent condition, and the Patton has never been opened. Trades are welcome. If you offer something hard to find then 3-for 1, or 4-for-1 is fine.

Gosh darn, this is hard. It is hard to vote because I believe the the quientessential sound was created and evolved in the hands of several main protagonists. Horace Silver represented the older period; I believe that Herbie Hancock epitomized the sound in the mid-60s then Duke Pearson epitomized the later sound in the late-60s and early 70s. Therefore, each of these three deserve the vote as the "sound" evolved over two decades or so. Having to choose one, I selected Horace Silver as he was the first.

That gives me an idea: someone should start a thread called "Unknown great black figures in history" or something of the like. Here are a few: --The Russian Poet, Alexandre Pushkin had some Ethiopian ancestry (of course, this means that he is "black" only to Americans who believe that if you have the slightest amount of Negro blood then you are BLACK all the way!!) --Toussaint L'Overture and Henri Christophe: early leaders of the Haitian Revolution --Mathew Henson: polar explorer who was the first to reach the North Pole (not Peary!!) Henson was the indespensible #2 man to Peary and he probably was the first human on the North Pole when he woke up early that morning to trek the final distances. --Derek Walcott: Caribbean poet and Nobel prize winner. Great writer. Still alive. --Maurice Ashley: first African-American chess grandmaster. Still active and presumably still getting better. Any others anyone? It's too early in the morning for me to think.

St. Augustine came from Hippo in North Africa. He may not have been black but he was at least Berber or Arab or Phoenician/Carthaginian, and he came from Africa.

Happy Birthday, Jim, and thanks for both setting up this board and keeping it a wonderful place.

Glad someone else has noticed this trait with Penguin. I, on the other hand, prefer the straightahead stuff, so my preference is AMG.

I just thought of something: Perhaps it is less important to avoid situations where disagreements may result than it is to learn how to get along even when we disagree. Therefore, even if the politics section is a likely breeding place for disagreement and arguments, it is still up to as adults to get along with each other nevertheless. There will always be disagreements in this world. Now who is this LeMo?

OK, She didn't make the cut like I predicted; but she played so damned well even with all the pressure and stuff, that I now realize that I was way off about her chances. Perhaps she could make the cut in men's tournament in the future, who knows? Anyway, I always suspected that golf was a wussy sport; now it is confirmed! No, really: all the best to her and I do hope she can play with the guys. All male sports should be open to females if they can manage it, except maybe boxing. Hell, there's even a woman who is ranked in the top ten in chess worldwide (Judit Polgar)

Yeah? Well I remember when I sat in the audience at a George W. Bush campaign rally at Springfield H.S. in Toledo that I noticed out of a couple thousand people or so, I could spot only one black person in the audience! I guess that there are a few places that blacks just don't hang out!

Your point is made and understood. Also, I did not mean to imply that you necessarily feel ill will to anyone.

This is a problem that hangs people up on Patton (and others) quite a bit. I think it has to do more with the instrument than Patton's stature on it. For instance, if your argument holds Alexander, then the only saxophinists that deserve 4 or 5 star attention would be Lester Young, Bean, Parker and Coltrane. Face it, no other saxophonists were as groundbreaking or as important as these. Sure Joe Henderson was good, but he was no Coltrane...therefore no Joe Henderson record is worthy of more than 3 stars. We know this isn't the case at all, Joe is a 5 star player for sure. The problem is that there are so few organists of note at all. To my mind, when you reach a level of individuality, technical ability and imagination such as Patton did, you deserve to get your due. To slight Patton because he wasn't Jimmy Smith or Larry Young isn't keeping things in perspective IMHO. Patton's playing incompassed Smith's earthiness and Young's otherworldliness at the same time (especially from "A Certain Feeling" on.) How could you dismiss such a fantastic player who could hang with Lou Donaldson, Grachan Moncur III, Grant Green AND Sun Ra??!!!! Well said, SS. I agree all the way. Also, in response to another post: yes, I am aware of AMG's rating policies, and it does not change my opinion that all the sessions given in this poll are underserved by a 3 star rating. Why is Patton's BLUE JOHN given 5 stars while WAY I FEEL, MEMPHIS TO NY SPIRIT, ACCENT ON THE BLUES, BOOGALOO, THAT CERTAIN FEELING are all given 3 stars? Doesn't make sense. BLUE JOHN is okay to me if you can stand that instrument George Braith plays. It's got a good groove, but is certainly no better, and in fact probably inferior than the others given only 3 stars.

I still cannot agree as what you say does not apply to me. I have had arguments with several different people on these political threads, yet I don't count any of them as other than friends. I have disagreed (sometimes vehemently) with Johnny E., Alexander, Chris, Moose, and Ron F.--to name a few people, and yet I count them all as friends. In addition, we sometimes happen to agree on things: witness how Johnny and I have been agreeing on things of late. Maybe you would feel ill towards others if you got into a theoretical argument on those topics, Brad, but I do not. As Mark pointed out, we had a rough beginning. Now I count him as a solid friend and we have found much in common. Indeed, I believe we have much more in common than otherwise. I feel I have learned from many of his posts just as I have from Johnny's or Alexander's or Chris' even though we still frequently disagree. Maybe it's just my personality; but I like to define my boundaries first before becoming friends. BTW, those friendships become the strongest ones in my case. :rsmile: Those political discussions are far from divisive, at least in my case.