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I was in a music shop in a college town over the weekend and noticed that their "jazz space" had shrunk since my previous visit. I asked the owner what was going on and he said that they had reduced the offerings in order to create space for other types of music. So what happens to the cds when they retrench? Do they go into the bargain bins or are they sent back to the labels? He said that they send back whatever they can then put the others into the bargain bins. My question for you all is what is the future for jazz cds? Is the market shrinking, and are the labels less likely to reissue old stuff? Do the sales of the reissues justify the whole exercise of reissuing out of print titles?

Anthropologists believe that modern humans migrated out of Africa approximately 100,000 years ago and thus began the populating of the world. (See AFRICA: A Biography of a Continent, by John Reader.) All mankind at that time was probably black. We are all brothers and sisters for sure.

Anyone interested in: Johnny Hodges, EVERYBODY KNOWS JOHNNY HODGES ($8.50) Ahmad Jamal, FREEFLIGHT ($7) Ahmad Jamal, CRYSTAL ($6) John Patton, UNDERSTANDING (sealed and unopened w/ notch on spine ($16) Reuben Wilson, ORGAN DONOR ($7) Just add $2 for sh/h to US addresses. All are in excellent condition, and the Patton has never been opened. Trades are welcome. If you offer something hard to find then 3-for 1, or 4-for-1 is fine.

Gosh darn, this is hard. It is hard to vote because I believe the the quientessential sound was created and evolved in the hands of several main protagonists. Horace Silver represented the older period; I believe that Herbie Hancock epitomized the sound in the mid-60s then Duke Pearson epitomized the later sound in the late-60s and early 70s. Therefore, each of these three deserve the vote as the "sound" evolved over two decades or so. Having to choose one, I selected Horace Silver as he was the first.

That gives me an idea: someone should start a thread called "Unknown great black figures in history" or something of the like. Here are a few: --The Russian Poet, Alexandre Pushkin had some Ethiopian ancestry (of course, this means that he is "black" only to Americans who believe that if you have the slightest amount of Negro blood then you are BLACK all the way!!) --Toussaint L'Overture and Henri Christophe: early leaders of the Haitian Revolution --Mathew Henson: polar explorer who was the first to reach the North Pole (not Peary!!) Henson was the indespensible #2 man to Peary and he probably was the first human on the North Pole when he woke up early that morning to trek the final distances. --Derek Walcott: Caribbean poet and Nobel prize winner. Great writer. Still alive. --Maurice Ashley: first African-American chess grandmaster. Still active and presumably still getting better. Any others anyone? It's too early in the morning for me to think.

St. Augustine came from Hippo in North Africa. He may not have been black but he was at least Berber or Arab or Phoenician/Carthaginian, and he came from Africa.

Happy Birthday, Jim, and thanks for both setting up this board and keeping it a wonderful place.

Glad someone else has noticed this trait with Penguin. I, on the other hand, prefer the straightahead stuff, so my preference is AMG.

I just thought of something: Perhaps it is less important to avoid situations where disagreements may result than it is to learn how to get along even when we disagree. Therefore, even if the politics section is a likely breeding place for disagreement and arguments, it is still up to as adults to get along with each other nevertheless. There will always be disagreements in this world. Now who is this LeMo?

OK, She didn't make the cut like I predicted; but she played so damned well even with all the pressure and stuff, that I now realize that I was way off about her chances. Perhaps she could make the cut in men's tournament in the future, who knows? Anyway, I always suspected that golf was a wussy sport; now it is confirmed! No, really: all the best to her and I do hope she can play with the guys. All male sports should be open to females if they can manage it, except maybe boxing. Hell, there's even a woman who is ranked in the top ten in chess worldwide (Judit Polgar)

Yeah? Well I remember when I sat in the audience at a George W. Bush campaign rally at Springfield H.S. in Toledo that I noticed out of a couple thousand people or so, I could spot only one black person in the audience! I guess that there are a few places that blacks just don't hang out!

Your point is made and understood. Also, I did not mean to imply that you necessarily feel ill will to anyone.

This is a problem that hangs people up on Patton (and others) quite a bit. I think it has to do more with the instrument than Patton's stature on it. For instance, if your argument holds Alexander, then the only saxophinists that deserve 4 or 5 star attention would be Lester Young, Bean, Parker and Coltrane. Face it, no other saxophonists were as groundbreaking or as important as these. Sure Joe Henderson was good, but he was no Coltrane...therefore no Joe Henderson record is worthy of more than 3 stars. We know this isn't the case at all, Joe is a 5 star player for sure. The problem is that there are so few organists of note at all. To my mind, when you reach a level of individuality, technical ability and imagination such as Patton did, you deserve to get your due. To slight Patton because he wasn't Jimmy Smith or Larry Young isn't keeping things in perspective IMHO. Patton's playing incompassed Smith's earthiness and Young's otherworldliness at the same time (especially from "A Certain Feeling" on.) How could you dismiss such a fantastic player who could hang with Lou Donaldson, Grachan Moncur III, Grant Green AND Sun Ra??!!!! Well said, SS. I agree all the way. Also, in response to another post: yes, I am aware of AMG's rating policies, and it does not change my opinion that all the sessions given in this poll are underserved by a 3 star rating. Why is Patton's BLUE JOHN given 5 stars while WAY I FEEL, MEMPHIS TO NY SPIRIT, ACCENT ON THE BLUES, BOOGALOO, THAT CERTAIN FEELING are all given 3 stars? Doesn't make sense. BLUE JOHN is okay to me if you can stand that instrument George Braith plays. It's got a good groove, but is certainly no better, and in fact probably inferior than the others given only 3 stars.

I still cannot agree as what you say does not apply to me. I have had arguments with several different people on these political threads, yet I don't count any of them as other than friends. I have disagreed (sometimes vehemently) with Johnny E., Alexander, Chris, Moose, and Ron F.--to name a few people, and yet I count them all as friends. In addition, we sometimes happen to agree on things: witness how Johnny and I have been agreeing on things of late. Maybe you would feel ill towards others if you got into a theoretical argument on those topics, Brad, but I do not. As Mark pointed out, we had a rough beginning. Now I count him as a solid friend and we have found much in common. Indeed, I believe we have much more in common than otherwise. I feel I have learned from many of his posts just as I have from Johnny's or Alexander's or Chris' even though we still frequently disagree. Maybe it's just my personality; but I like to define my boundaries first before becoming friends. BTW, those friendships become the strongest ones in my case. :rsmile: Those political discussions are far from divisive, at least in my case.

I pulled them from AMG online site. I agree with you that the poll would have been more interesting if I could have found a bunch of 2 stars, but frankly I couldn't find enough of them. So AMG can be wrong with their ratings but they are rarely RIDICULOUSLY wrong. Yes, I am quibbling a bit over their 3 star ratings. I believe that all these sessions should be at least 4 stars, and in the case of Green and perhaps the Dorham and Hill session, 5 stars.

Kipling was a great poet and short story writer. Many people may not know that he won the Nobel Prize; which is ironic given his general praise of British imperialism. He did modify his views about war when his son was killed in the unheroic trenches of World War I.

Obviously, I don't agree. Have you heard the Kenny Dorham session? My vote went for Grant Green, STREET OF DREAMS as representing the gravest injustice. To me, it is five stars. The Hubbard session is as good as any of his others in my opinion. And how does AMG grant Big John's BLUE JOHN as 5 stars when all his stuff from 1978-1981 gets 3 stars at best?

BINGO!!

Typical AMG irrationality. I haven't voted yet. It's a tough choice since obviously in compiling the list, I feel they are all underrated. I do believe one of the choices will overwhelmingly win the poll. Let's see if it proves true. Will reveal it later.

Thanks Simon.

One thing to consider here, Brad, is that I've actually become better acquainted with and have become "friends" with several posters after initial disagreements on political topics. Funny about human relationships: they often become strengthened through some degree of early friction. It's as if people often have to define their boundaries with each other first. That's one reason why I like the "politics" threads. B)

Each of these sessions were given AMG's death notice of a mere 3 stars. I'm sure everyone can dig up countless other examples, but staying within my general love of the hard bop era, I've selected ten examples to vote on. The lone exception is Hank Mobley's "Reach out," which was given a paltry 2-star rating. So the question is: which of these examples do you feel was unjustly given a low rating? Have fun!

Simon, what's the website for the rec.music.bluenote? Is it www.rec.music.bluenote? Thanks

I totally agree with Moose. I've expressed concern regarding board censorship in the past, but I think you all handle it without abusing the privilege. Also, those few sentences of Jimmy Gee's which were quoted were certainly quite inflammatory. I guess I accept b3ers point of view. If the post had been part of a thread it might have been different; but to start a new thread with that... well, that's too much.

Speaking of the draft though: The Pistons in the past have shown an incredible ability to choose Dennis Rodman/Theo Ratliff/Ben Wallace defensive geniuses. Can't see them going for that kind of player with the second pick, but perhaps they can select someone of that type in the second round, or do they have another pick in the first round?