Gotta agree on both counts. But then, in my ignorance, I have no idea who these famous-to-other people are, so maybe I notice it more than some. As an example, the name Beverly Stapleton is more 'famous' to me than 'Larry Kart', as Bev was a member of the first jazz board I ever posted on. (Wish I could remember the name of that board; it had the damndest layout...) And the hazing newcomes to jazz get when they come here can be cruel. Who gives a shit if someone is so new to jazz that they think Norah Jones is it, or Diana Krall, or whoever? I tell you, a lot of 'knowledgable' posters here look just as myopic with their complete devotion to Blue Note and/or hard bop as the be-all and end-all of jazz. Sometimes it looks a lot like bullies in the second grade harrassing the first graders for being so young...
But that's life on the internet; I sure don't see debating it three times a month as being that rewarding. Perhaps it's my moronic attention span...