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Yeah, I know. But it's been my experience that sooner or later... But if there's exceptions that prove the rule (and no doubt there are), then so much the better.

Well, won't musicians and fans working together eventually (if not sooner) become de facto businesses and/or arts organizations?

Palmieri is still one to see...the other two...I don't know.

Or you could say that we don't always see the front and the back simultaneously, if ever. And/or you could say that sometimes the back is completely internal to the front's external. And/or you could say that whether we are seeing the front or the back is more or less a question of what we think we are seeing. And I would say that finding the back (or the front) is not/should not be an impedement to fully experience the "now". For as long as it lasts, which...of course...is...uh...NOW. But not now, this is another NOW, although not THIS one. They do all fit together though, into one "thing", eventually, somehow, that I can and will say, now. But the one thing you can never say is that there is a front w/o a back, or vice-versa. Hell, even a hologram has a projector... But the thing to remember is is that a "thing" is neither just its front or its back. That's old-school "western" thinking. And a "thing" is not just its front "and" its back. That's new-school "western" wishful thinking. A "thing" is really no thing at all. It's part of "the one". We can only see it as a "thing" by limiting that to various degrees, which is sometimes useful, becuase even though me, that tree, and my car are really all part of the one, for right here and now, it's probably best that I keep them "separate". Although, in the really big picture, big whoop. But as it pertains to "music" and stuff, well, yeah, we need to market, and we need to ruminate, and we need to seek and find, we need to do all that, but after we do it, we've done it. And then, maybe, just maybe, the best thing to do with all that is to let it go, and to let that "thing" go back to where it truly belongs, which is not not being a "thing" at all. Who knows, we might even let some of our self go there with it.

Just 3 pianos?

Hmmm....flakes and businessmen had a pretty good run there...but then they both forgot, each in their own way, that making money was a game as much as it was a war...the war took over, flakes turned into pacifists, businessmen into mercenaries, and the game all but was left behind. Too bad.

Give me an example or two of a "front" and a "back" in art, because the words in themselves don't link up to anything there with which I'm familiar. FRONT: BACK:

Yin & yang, yes, exactly, and yes, the shit that matters happens and will happen regardless (eventually...maybe not always at the "best" possible time, because humans get in the way too often in an attempt to impose...), but as far as mattering in term of understanding what has happened, what is happening, and might yet happen (or if we are bold enough to presume some sense of self-directiveness, what might need to happen next to realize a particular individual or colective vision), then you'd be hard pressed to avoid it except through the willful ignorance of the "oh well, sometimes shit just happens" mantra, which is a good enough response right at the moment, but becomes increasingly worthless with every passing second after. Either that or else just figure that what happens happens, and what happens right in front of your face is all that happens anywhere, ever. But you and I both know that that's just dumb, that for every push there's a pull, because friction is the essence of life - it creates it, it holds it together, it sustains it, and it eventually "ends" it (redistributes it is more to the point...). Even time...time is what keeps everything from happening all at once, somebody once said, and time is friction too...so you can disregard the yin and the yang as you like, but you cannot destroy them, nor can you pull them apart into separate, independent elements, except as an illusion. One can choose what one chooses to see, but something as fundamental as this either is or isn't, at least in this world. As far as how that's "regarded", here we go again...fuck how it's "regarded". We in the "west" have been so dualistic, so "either/or", so "with us/against us", so "us/them" for so damn long, and with such three-dimensional spiritual and intellectual outcomes that "regarding" is too often a case of "here's a thing, here's some bags, find the bag that the thing best fits in, put it there and then move on to the next thing" that the notion of opposites (and in-betweens) existing as part of a bigger, evolving-but-constant whole is something reserved for a source of funding for churches and physics labs instead of everyday life, where it plays out most fully and is therefore most relevant. So yeah, fuck how it's "regarded". That don't mean shit to me at this point, even though that's just how I "regard" it.

It means no such thing. It does mean that if there's a front there will also be a back. How soon that back becomes apparent, though, is in no way rigid nor mathematical. But it is inevitable.

Keep going....this is the most interesting thread here in quite a while!

"Meaning" is not in the thing itself, it's in what you do to the thing and what it does to you after you find it. So, yeah, the same thing can be profound to one, utter bullshit to another, and both will be right within themselves, if they are both being wholly honest in their intellect and emotion. Outside of themselves, hey, it's ultimately evolution and consensus, as much as we'd like to think otherwise. To thine own self, etc, because there is no Number One.

Ok, for real - LTB & I both want to see this and are looking to have a "date night", what with diner and a movie and all that. Skipped the dinner (not hungry), but did the movie. Superb in every regard, we both totally dug it. Positivism w/o the dreaded "feel-good" factor. Highly recommended to all, save for the terminally bitter and/or chronically hyper-hormonal.

hey - the concept has been realized. next up is the reality. time...

Not sure what this means, but the passing of Ali is in rotation as part of the bottom-screen crawl on Morning Joe today. Under "Entertainment". But still...

Now there's a motion worth seconding!

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer..._type=&aq=f

That Interstellar Space, man....I mean...where do you go after everywhere? What do you do after everything? When is there after always? I don't know if anybody knows, even Rashied Ali, but at least he knew what it's like to have gone & been there. RIP

I still want to hear Birth Of The Cool recast as electronica. But only if done well. Then you might enjoy Al Hirt At Carnegie Hall, with arrangements by Gerald Wilson!

I got my Sonny Stitts box today.

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Hippest....popsong....EVER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsVr3kgZlYk

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