JSngry

If rent day was her only scary day, she wasn't a REAL woman... (I'm leaving now, and as quickly as possible. Between Patricia & Shelly, there's no way I'm getting out of that one alive...)

This is all foreplay. I'll bust MY nut when they do a Herman Phillips set.

You remember that DeBarge hit "All This Love"? With the really cool, soulful accoustic guitar solo? That solo was played by Mr. Feliciano his ownself!

Jim? That was J.A.W. I'm the one who made a polite-yet-non-committal reply to Mike. Btw, I'd like to see an explanation too, but the lack of one might BE one, if you get my drift...

I think I think what you think.

Jim, could you elaborate on that a bit? What is it that you are wary of? Does your statement here relate to your earlier post in this thread? Just curious. Two things, basically - "paralysis by analysis" and being so busy thinking that thinking about doing something gets confused with actually doing it. You know, like people who get religion and become so obsessed with "being religious" all the time that THAT becomes their life, not going ahead and living naturally, just with a new awareness. Different people go different ways with this kind of stuff. I've seen it go both ways - some get liberated and some... I certainly don't knock it, because a huge turning point in MY life was reading Alan Watts' "The Book". Really put into concrete form a lot of semi-formed notions, feelings, instincts, etc. that I'd been having for quite a while and "made the clouds go away." :D That's when these things seem to do the most good, I think - when they merely strengthen or enhance what's already there but has maybe gotten either lost or has yet to fully mature. Somebody who goes into it cold, or not having that much of a clue in the first place, seems to be the type to fall into a "style over substance" appreciation and execution of the material. Similarly, "working" at personal growth can go either way, or at least that's been my experience. Sometimes the work pays off, but sometimes it seem like the best thing to do is just fuck it all and get on with your life, if you know what I mean, and let things be. Things have a way of taking care of themselves sometimes. Making the wrong decision about which path to take for any given circumstance can eat your lunch, but the kicker is, you never know it's the wrong decision until it's too late. It ain't fair, I tell ya', it JUST AIN'T FAIR!

"Different", yes, in terms of lineup and instrumentation. But NOT different in terms of intensity, creativity, and everything else that matters. Trust me.

Careful there, my friend. It's not too late for me to change my selection to something of this ilk:

It's in heavy rotation on KNTU, and I'm digging it, except for the fact that Herring seems to have progressed from copping Cannonball's tone to copping Gary Bartz's. That's not enough to deter me from enjoying it on the radio, which I do immensely, but I'm less likely to spring for it because of that. A really solid, energetic date overall.

Anybody have that Bob Hope Cadet album I see on all the old inner sleeves alongside the Ahmad Jamal, Sonny Stitt, Illinois Jacquet, Jean DuSchon, Ramsey Lewis, Rotary Connection. Etta James, etc. stuff?

oooh...sending meat through the mail (and it's really about the meat above all. Sauce is, or SHOULD be, entirely optional and idealy unnecessary!) is not something I'd feel comfortable doing right now (long story...), but here's a place that will send you some DAMN good hot links: http://www.pittsburghotlinks.com/ Not as good as Earl Campbell Hot Links (but then, few things are, including all but the VERY best, uh, "conjugal relations"), and besides, Earl's Links have no link on the Web. Gotta come and get'em!

Ah, Patricia, welcome! WARNING - Do NOT attempt to one-up Patricia in verbal jousting. IT CAN NOT BE DONE! OTOH, if you enjoy the give-and-take of truly creative (to say nothing of FUNNY) banter, then meet your new friend. Again - welcome!

Totally understandable, especially in light of what must have been the near (or total!) chaos in the wake of The Great Blue Note Bulletin Board Diaspora. No hard feelings at all. Thanks for listening, and keep up the good work.

I think what Diz actually said was that they had the harmony, but Bird brought the phrasing. Listening to early Diz, that seems right - he's got the harmonic stuff going on, but is still phrasing very much in an Eldridgeian manner. Even on the Minton's recordings. 'Twasn't till after he hooked up w/Bird that he became the Dizzy that we know today. I think the KC guitarist mentioned above was named Efferge Ware, but the guitarist Bid was working with in a chilli parlor (!) when he had his harmonic "breakthrough" was Biddy Fleet. Bird also credited Buster Smith quite a bit for giving him some ideas, as well as KC saxophonist Tommy Douglas, who, I think, Bird credited with hipping him to the upper extensions of chords. And of course there's Prez. There's ALWAYS Prez, thank God. I DO think that Dizzy had a significant musical role in that he took what was essentially a jam session music and gave it viable structures that could be recorded and performed in a manner suitable for "public" consumption. DeVeaux goes into this, and it's no small feat - consider the problems that post-Ornette jazz has had finding a "general" audience, at least partially to it not having recognizable frameworks to put around the improvisations (just an observation, definitely NOT a value judgement). Dizzy, however, credits Monk quite heavily as being one of, if not THE main cat to come up with new changes and substitutions. But Monk was never in the public eye until the Riverside years. Before that, he was less than a rumor to the jazz public at large. You want to throw out another name that made a contribution early one? Ok, here's one - Budd Johnson. Trummy Young shows up on a lot of those "swing-to-bop" dates, those fascinating documents where you can hear the music's evolution in progress. Also heard on more than a few of those dates - Billy Kyle and Don Byas. Tatum, Hawk, Roy, any of the Swing Era musicians who were dealing with harmonic complexities beyond the norms of the day, ALL deserve credit as formative influences (as does Duke, for both his music AND perhaps even more importantly, his ATTITUDE). The music WAS going to change, WAS going to get more "complicated", WAS going to become more "purely musical and less "functional". The indicators, musical and social alike, are all there to be seen by the historical eye. And the music actually took several different routes in this direction apart from bebop. But in my opinion, it is Bird who was the figure who crossed all the "T"s and dotted all the "I's about what the music that came to be known as bebop would be at its core, simply because he defined the rhythm, the phrasing. You can, and DID, have cats doing all kinds of harmonic and structural voodoo, but it ain't "bebop" if it ain't got that bob-and-weave phrasology to it, and by all acounts, that came purely from Bird. But really, this is the kind of "bar talk" that is fun to engage in, but ultimately proves nothing - all jazz, including "bebop", is really a collective tale, told in a collective tongue spoken in an infinite number of dialects. Anybody, ANYBODY, who told a personal tale that was heard positively by other musicians deserves credit as an influence, and I'm willing to wager dollars to doughnuts that there's more than a few who never recorded, and even some whose names are TOTALLY lost to history. So if I name Bird as the "main" formulator of "bebop", that in actuality has about as much meaning as if I say that the tree on the east side of my front yard is more "important" than the one on the west, if you know what I mean. And hey - shouldn't the material (either the LP or, ideally, the more complete CD version) on Stash's BIRTH OF THE BEBOP be made available in perpetuity?

ATTENTION ALL LOVERS OF JAZZ: YOU OWE IT TO YOURSELF TO SEE THIS MOVIE: Even though it's about tap-dancing, the stories told, especially Sandman Sims' raps about getting your own style, and the Lester-Young-converted-to-dance work of the incredible Chuck Green, to say nothing of the looks in Bunny Briggs' eyes, make it simply one of the best and truest movies about jazz ever made, if you know what I mean. Sandman in this movie is spectacular, and the three dancers, all accompanied by a Lionel Hampton big band, form a perfect parallel-in-dance to a portion of the evolution of jazz: Briggs with the flash and crip elan of the Swing Elan, Green with his Prezish otherworldiness, and Sandman with the brash fire and self-challenging complexity of bebop. The stories of each man's career also carries an eerie parallel to those of so many jazz musicians. I've lost track of how many times I've watched this movie since taping it off Bravo a few years ago, but I swear, it grows MORE mesmerizing with each viewing. And if Chuck Green's solo over the closing credits doesn't leave you in a goosebump covered trance... :D Highly, HIGHLY recommended. Bubba says check it out. R.I.P. Sandman, and thanks. You were the real deal.

HELL YEAH!!!! I'm not looking to drag this out, but the reason Mike gave for not responding to my e-mail doesn't quite ring true, seeing as how I had been in touch with him several times the day before regarding problems setting up the account. Plus, the heading on the email read Board Protocol and the message read: Hi Mike, thanks for getting me set up yesterday. A question - I am a professional musician w/a band that has CDs for sale. We are not amateurs or part-timers. We are serious, experienced, and do all original material in the post-Ornette vein. Dallas is our home, but we are trying to get out of this musical ghetto (even if it is into another one ;-) ) Does board protocol prohibit me from posting about our band's CDs and offering ordering information? I have no intent to use your board as nothing but free advertising. Trust me, I can and will bring some meat to the table when it comes to jazz discussions. My history on the Blue Note board will bear both points out. I would just appreciate the opportunity to notify people of the music's availability, and discuss it if, and ONLY if, that discussion is solicited. If the general membership complains (and I know that the ex-BN contingent won't), then I will respect that sentiment and not go down that road. If you have doubts as to the music itself, check out samples at www.musicaconcarne.com or ask Chuck Nessa or ANY of the BN-exes. They will vouch for both the music and my personal ethics. Several BNBB people have purchased our CDs as well, and are more than pleased with them. Thank you for your consideration. Jim Sangrey (JSngry on your board) I know the guy's busy, and it's entirely possible that he just overlooked the e-mail. No problem. But considering the timing of the e-mail, and the fact that I sent it from my home e-mail (which has no "business" indicators at all), somehow the victim-of-an-anti-spam-program explanation... Anyway, AAJ is a good site, and provides lots of exposure to a music that definitely needs it. Far be it from me to feel bad about THAT. But my personal BBS preference remains for this board, run by actual musicians, cats who have a simpatico to the realities of this music and its accompanying bizness that makes me feel good about being here, like I'm hanging at a site sponsored and run by truly kindred spirits.

Welcome, grey!

Stained glass Elvin? Coolest thing I've seen in some time. Where'd ya' get it RT?

DUDE! If WE had ....

Uh, is it by Billy Martin?

Who's this Rumi cat?

Fair enough, but have you actually been to Texas and explored our barbeque at any length? There's literally infinite variations in the sauces, some quite spicy, and some more sweet (and I don't like the sweet stuff either). The best sauces are neither sweet nor spicy. They achieve a blend where individual elements become indistinguishable and all that remains is THE SAUCE, a flavor unto itself, and one that should enhance the meat, not dominate it. I ask if you've ever experienced actual Texas BBQ because about 20 years ago, I was in Buffalo, NY, on the road w/a band, and was delighted to find a "Mexican Restaurant" in town (this was 20+ years ago, remember, and the Tex-Mex boom was still a ways off). It had been at least 6 weeks since my last dose of the stuff, and I was JONESIN', so I went in and ordered a, uh, "rather large" amount of food. First up, a nice, big bean and cheese burrito. The first bite was the last - the naive Buffaloians had used SWISS CHEESE on this burrito. I checked the enchiladas - same thing. I went away sad, angry, and above all, HUNGRY. Well, that's just WRONG, but if that had been my sole exposure to Mexican food, I'd probably think "not for me. thanks anyway".

Oh, I know it. Thing is, I knew it before Game 5 too... :D Seriously, I gotta give props to my boys - with absolutely NO significant, or even SEMI-significant, presence in the middle and minimal defensive skills, they put together a regular season that was successful by any standard. Their playoff run has been a result of a combination of opponents' injuries (if it takes you 7 games to beat the Kings WITHOUT Chris Webber...), strategic cunning (Don Nelson should be a SERIOUS candidate for Coach Of The Year, imo), and good old-fashioned guts (what happened Tuesday night is the gutsiest sporting performance I've seen since Emmit Smith played that title game against the Giants with a seperated shoulder), and, yes, shooters who can, in streaks, score quicker and more frequently than Russell Crowe in a roomfull of Meg Ryan clones. But hey - love means never having to say "you're dead". If you got kids, you know the feeling - they're going nto a situation, athletic or otherwise, where you KNOW they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell, but by God, you stand by'em anyway, build'em up, let them know you love'em, and try to inspire to do their best. When they fail, you're still proud as hell of them, and every so often, once every VERY seldom, they actually win. If Game 5 was that "once every VERY seldom" for this season, and realistically, it's 99.99999999999% certain that it was (the Lakers paid the price of the Spurs' self-revulsion at letting things slip away, and I expect they're significantly more pissed about what happened Tuesday night), then so be it. But let's play the game first - concession before actually being defeated is MOST unbecoming, no?

Oh geez...sounds like I got some catching up to do...gimme today and tomorrow, ok? Really, I hope nobody's offended or otherwise put off (although if you are, I understand). It's just that it's a LOT quicker and easier to do "hit and run" posting to a community than it is to actually communicate with REAL PEOPLE individually! But I SHALL seek, retrieve, and respond. You have my word!