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The other night, I had the good fortune of heaing a private recording of Joe Lee Wilson sitting in with a Kenny Dorham-led group at Mintons, ca. 1967. One of the tunes that Wilson sang was "Four", and it had some pretty hip lyrics along the lines of "out of all the good things you can take (get?) out of life there are four", etc. Three of the "four" were love, honor, and truth. I forget what the other one was. My "usual suspects" for these type of "life-lesson ditty" lyrics are, of course, Jon Hendricks or Eddie Jefferson, but I know that Wilson has his own bag, and wouldn't be surprised to find out that they were his. Sooooo.... Does anybody know these lyrics and/or who the author of them is? And if so, have they been recorded commercially? As always, thanks in advance!

I go to sleep when I can, which is usually neither early nor often enough, and wake up when I have to, which is too damn regularly. More and more I find myself thinking that Brian Wilson had the right idea there for a while, even if it was for the wrong reason...

Well, there you go. The Bands For Bonds stuff is very good (and historically interesting), but if you can get the '49 Carnegie stuff in toto, do so, like, yesterday!

Note to Tony: be careful what you ask for...

Upon further recollection, I remember A&E showing some "from the Vanguard" shows that were also released on VHS. Don't know if this would have been one of them, but it seems like a logical place to begin, maybe. Hope that helps.

"On paper" picks - Eagles & Colts. My brain says Carolina's been playing good solid, fundamentally sound ball all season and shows no signs of stopping now, whereas Philly's been kinda up and down (admittedly up lately), and with them, you never can predict when it's gonna be "up" or when it's gonna be "down". Shit happens, right Cheeseheads? My brain also tells me that although Manning seem to be on a mission from God this season that in football, Hell is not hot, it's cold, and Foxboro is it's name. My gut tells me that this is the year for non-glamour, so it'll be Carolina and the Pats, w/the extra non-glam Panthers winning the Bowl since it's in Houston and there's a BUNCH of Cajuns around Houston. Never, EVER, underestimate the power of a bunch of Cajuns all "on the same page", so to speak. You do so at your peril. Paper, brain, gut. Which one to trust? Usually my gut, but since my inner fan (voice #4) is still pulling for the Eagles to win the Bowl, I ain't a-bettin'!

Are we EVER gonna get FOR LOSERS?

Well, the Adderleys were from Florida, and you see where Ira Sullivan ended up living, so....

Brownie's right, Brad, but otoh, if you can't find the full sessions right now, and if this JA disc is reasonably priced, it might make for a nice "stopgap" until the real thing comes along. Depends on if that's a strategy you take in building a collection or not. Some do, some don't. The music is superb, especially Carnegie Hall '49. Above-average Bird, and all that that implies.

I use these things in my car (along with the car kit adapters), so there's going to be bumps and such involved. I've developed a (slight) preference for Aiwa over Sony in terms of reliability, durabiltiy, and sound quality. But really, they're all about the same in their respective price brackets, and if you give one of them heavy use and it lasts over a year and a half or so, you've gotten about all out of it as it has to give.

Well, "turn your head and cough" is just a prelude to the gloves and K-Y. If you haven't gotten there yet, you will.

It says no such thing. What it says is that I don't have time to waste with bullshit games or endless (as in no matter how much you do, there's always more to be done) navel-gazing (not that I don't do it, but I keep it to myself as often as possible as a public service...). I came to my opinions about music through both my personal experiences and through intereaction with others, including some of the McDonough camp. I have strong beliefs, and I feel no compunction about expressing them when I see fit, but doing something like trying to refute the points of a man who sees his points as irrefutable is not how I see fit, and I've been reading McDonough long enough (try 30+ years, and you got guys here who have KNOWN him longer than that...) to know that that's what the deal is with him. Whether or not he actually believes it or not, I don't know, and I don't really care. Bottom line for me - I'm through with heading down dead-end streets that lead nowhere just so I can comfort myself with the sense that my beliefs have been "examined". I'm getting to the age where "examination" means rubber gloves and K-Y, dig? Rather than being insignificant, music is TOO important to me to let somebody with unchangeably opposite beliefs stick a finger up my ass. I know the type, and they don't always use K-Y. Or gloves. Or fingers...

Irony Exemplifed

I really have no recollections other than it came on A&E. Sorry.

Similar, but more "Blue Note-y", if that makes any sense, and the sessions w/slightly larger ensembles are especially nice, imo. It's all non-nonsense music. No halfass shit at all.

I use mine as a constant source of self-flagellation. Try it, it's fun!

Well, if it was me, and if it was the "Barbie On A Crucifix" pic in The Babe Thread, all I can say is " "

Somebody's done it.

One of my true heroes, this guy is. Hope all is well with him, and if not, hope it's as well as it can be.

Chris, did you just say somewhat the same thing I did? I'm not sure...

Excerpts of this arrangement, w/Brookmeyer rehearsing the band, show up in some TV show that was part of an ongoing series that aired on A&E about 15 or so years ago. Sorry, don't remember anything more than that. Great chart, though. "Dark" indeed, and rich too.

McDonough once compared "The Queen's Suite" to the work of Henry Mancini. He's not deaf, he just lives in a world totally different than mine. For me to debate his points would be futile, because our realities are not the same. He's comfortable in his, as I am in mine. More than that leads nowhere. Fast.

Not really familiar w/Lou's total discography, but is it safe to say that this is the album that marked the shift from Lou the "serious bopper" to Lou the Populist? No matter - it does what it set out to do, according to Lou - get a groove that "the people" can dig with no interference, and it does so superbly. Proof yet again that quality and widespread accessibility need not be mutually exclusive.

Well hell, he got to see the Mingus gig I missed. Lacefield talked about this incredble tenor player whose eyes rolled back in his head when he played. George Adams wasn't quite on our radar screen yet, but defintitely was when CHANGES 1 & 2 came out soon afterwards. Cannonball playing w/a lit cigarette vs George Adams' eyes rolling back in his head. I'd say we're even!

The Savoy has more than the IAI, at least in LP versions. The IAI includes two trio tracks w/o Gilmore (and different bassist/drummer) from a later date, and omits a few of the earlier tunes to do so. But the IAI has been out on CD (I think) and the Savoy hasn't. If you have the Savoy issuse, hold on to it!