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Yeah, question prompted by Feather's liners on Basie Big Band. Never take that cat at face value, but it got be to looking at recording chronology and yes, there was a gap. Is it wrong to look at the Pablo big bang records as the RSV of the NT band? Maybe? Marshall Royal is gone, all the drummers are certainly neither Payne nor Jones in style7, Sammy Nestico as the main writer is a different flavor... none of which would be really worth noticing if not for that gap...

If so, who?

Why would you be surprised that somebody has a different opinion than yours? Besides, it's not a "Bags at his best" thing. It's a "one of his best records" thing. Perhaps you don't understand the difference?

Sunflower was done in 1972. Blue Note, Idle Moments style, was over by then.

Not 63. Blue Note was over by 72.

Teddy Edwards was on the scene too? Another prickly sort, apparently Criss even got some studio dates for Granz. I was a bit surprised to find out about those, they have not exactly "lived on" in the Granz legacy.

Yeah, but Blue Note was over by then. That world was over by then. So...example of something wonderful that wasn't really happening any longer. Except maybe on Bob Porter organ records? Like it or not, Rhodes was the forefront of the new mellow. And weed had gone mainstream. Shag carpeting was what you fucked on. What the new mellow is now...hell if I know. Silencers, maybe These are about the most unmellow times I've lived in, that's for sure. Oh, FM. FM was by definition mellow compared to AM. And a record like Sunflower (which I obviously love) and, say, Sky Dive (which I don't even like, much less love) sounded GREAT on FM. On AM, the older records sounded better. They were not mastered for FM and badass stereos. CTI was I had access to both jazzes radio and I was a teenager, so hey. Speaking of radio, I don't know how things were in your town, but on every FM jazz radio around her (except for the bullshit NTSU station), every song on Sunflower - EVERY song - stayed on the air for years, decades even. I pretty much knew that album by heart and didn't at all feel bad about it AFAIC, if CTI has a Kind Of Blue it terms of perpetual listenability at any level, it's Sunflower.

HA!

Gotta look at the entire lyric for the whole story. Dated it certainly is, but cornball? Hardly. It's a perfect reflection of the new "Sex and the Single Girl" ethos. Hell yeah, there were girls at the office, and they had the pill if they wanted it. And men will always be men. Do you think Rob came home to Laura just out of a sense of moral obligation? And I bet that Millie kept Jerry in line with more than just her sass. I bet there was a lot of fucking in New Rochelle in 1962

I've heard that many times, which has me wondering how the whole thing got started to begin with.. was Granz looking for a backup to Bird? Also heard that there was apparently some "New Bird" hype at one point that really fucked Criss up, but have never seen any proof of that, from Granz or otherwise

And those who seek to play them. There are no good guys in this game.

So we can blame Madeline Peyroux?

Has anybody done a good look at the Granz/Criss relationship? That one has always seemed a bit odd to me. Seemed like it was as off as quick as it was on?

So who's really gullible here, then?

I would never try to alter your perception of anything. I am not a psychedelic drug I would wonder if your perception of the whole thing being "forced" isn't your own reaction to whatever triggers such impressions in you rather than an objective assessment of what is going on with that record, but again, not trying to change anything. Hey, I read Down Beat all through the 70s and Milt Jackson never did not bitch about money. Hell, about EVERYTHING. The whole arc from now that the MJQ is over I'm going to make some real money to hell, there's no money to be had playing jazz to ok, good to see the MJQ re-forming is in retrospect pretty hilarious. I mean, Sunflower was a pretty big hit, one of the core CTI records imo, and this guy goes to Pablo and cranks out, what, 89 records that combined probably sold half as much, and he's wondering where the money is. Kinda seems like Bags' Schtick to me! I also know that Milt Jackson never played falsely in his life, at least not that I've heard. He made all sorts of records doing all sorts of things. I doubt he loved all of them, but I also doubt that he could have done any of the any differently than he did them. In other words, I seriously doubt that anybody could force Milt Jackson to do too much of anything!

I also don't find Hal David's lyrics at all corny. I did when I was a teenager, but what does a teenager know about parking cars and pumping gas being anything other than a potentially really cool summer job?

Hey, she did a smash hit tribute to Don Schlitten, which is more than I can say about Rusty Warren

Yeah, not exactly pro-grade hype...

Affectionate mocking seems like an oxymoron to me .. See above. That has been explained

That's a good question...I would imagine that that he was owed money and at the same time owed money, so when that happens, most people hide out and proceed accordingly I also have visions (totally unfounded) of him going into a deep Phil Spector type psycho-depression with Astrud Gilberto as his Ronnie. Or that they didn't enjoy doing it

Are there still punk rockers?

I was thinking of the Blakey Rutgers thing. Too bad about Emerald Records. This would have been a job for them, only I don't think that Horace really dug Tyrone. Or so they say

Are you saying that Milt was forced to wear all that polyester?

"...astonishingly close to that of audiophile vinyl" Close to? So we're re being asked to settle for second best?

Is the new JATP stuff actually new to release or just new to CD?