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The Old Gray Mare Mare Winningham Merce Cunningham

Ok, hate to nag, but...how did you guys make your selection. I saw a TV ad this morning for MiracleEar, which is another "name brand" that I've heard about for decades, same as Beltone (although I've heard about them even longer). What is guiding your selection, and did you make a conscious attempt to stay away from Miracle Ear and Beltone? If so, why? Serious question. I really have no idea where to begin looking.

Maxine van Date - Everything I Have Is Yours

Bolick, that was it. Not Bollock.

Well, then, no wonder!

did you know (I did not, but didn't really care enough to find out until just now) that MTA Records was run by Bob Thompson? https://www.discogs.com/label/102555-MTA-Records-2 I had hoped that their first Watrous record would have been a prelude to the one with Water Raim, but no, it is a very sad totally-at-face-value "easy listening" record. Walter Raim had a pretty limited run, MTA apparently did a LOT of 45s, and never thid that yield a lost bonanza. The one MTA thing that might be interesting (apart from one called "Stainless Soul" by a Baltimore band called The New Apocalypse by somebody called are the ones by Bert Collins/Joe Shepley, Collins/Shepley Galaxy they are called, arranged by Mike Abene. I THINK I found one on a blog a while back, but if I did, it did not impress like the Watrous/Raim record did. THAT one...it used to get played on a local Easy Listening FM station when I was in high school, never back-announced for anything, but in the meantime, Bill Watrous had gotten a name for himself. So when I saw that record in a Woolco cutout bin and was all WTF? and yeah, 99 cents, sure. Took it home and IMMMEDIATELY recognized it as THAT record. Collins/Shepley Galaxy, two records, one on YouTube, the other not(?). The opne not is an album of Beatles tunes. The other one is a pretty good, if normal, jazz record. I want to hear the Beatles covers. But until then...

David Weiss, a man of his word!!!! On a more serious not, I think Blue Note maybe screwed the pooch on this one by leading with the LP Set angle and not making it clear that there was also going to be a CD version. That price tag for the LP set...I mean...if the want old fucks like us to get excited about the content of a product, it might help to have "folks like us" get totally put off by the format, you know? We can help build that buzz becuase we already know this shit, ok? People you're trying to build a buzz with about a 50 Bajillion Dollar LP product for somebody they probably know of by reputation and/or old people talk,,...good luck on that. Now David Weiss will probably come in and say hey, the LP set is sold out already, weve got CD inventory to last until the end of the decade and beyond. He also did the Grant Green & Elvin Jones Lighthouse records, but on those he is also credited with remixing as well as recording. Perhaps relevantly, those are also George Butler productions whereas the Morgan side was Francis Wolff's baby.

Ok, just finishing up on the "liner note running order", and leading the album off with "Images" and running Side A like that works. Really well. Where it gets weird is going straight from "Blues At Midnight" into "Velvet" and then into "Saturn". But that's on CD, if that was the LP order and you could take a few minutes/days to flip the record over, that might work just fine. And definitely, ending on "Ancient Aiethopia"...that jsut works for me. They got that right on Saturn, for sure. Not sure if I'm ready for Saturn LPs in "audiophile quality", but I'm glad it exists for future generations (and maybe the next go-round...or maybe this one...something like The Nubians Of Plutonia will appeal in that quality of sound. Right now, the "distance" of the Saturn LP sound is a part of how I'm still processing that music. I've built the sound of those records into the sound of that music. Not sure I'm ready - or needing - to make a new bifurcation. Yet. Also, I'm willing to accept that there are some vinyl rips in the Evidence, especially on The Singles. But I have both the Evidence & Strut iterations of that concept, and...again, there's a different set of esthetics at play in considering the sound of the music and the sound of the record. I can dig both, but it kind of pisses me off that in order to get the full range of "Sun Ra Singles", I still have to have both - and that to get all the material that either generated or created all of THAT, I still need to get some even more shit, some of which, like the Atavistic stuff, is wonderful, but some of which, like the Norton Doo-Wop stuff, is just...trying. At some point...old 45s sounding like what they are is ok with me. I grew up on 45s, my fiorst records were various 45s and Little Golden Record 78s. LPs were what my parents had, and "hi fi" was nothing that any of us had. so, you know, the die was cast early enough to never be completely re-cast. Anyway, back to Jazz In Silhouette, I think I like the "liner note" running order of Side A just fine, opening up with a solo piano intro is a very good fit. And I definitely like the Saturn A-B side order better. It's only on that "in between" stuff that this changing around gets sticky, and quite possibly that's because of the CD format. I know I've had more than one Blue Note/etc record lose a little magic for me on CD just because programming LP sides, individually, is an art unto itself, even/especially something as "abstract" as a collection of jazz vehicles from various sources dictated at least in part by commerce. Anyway,...check it out if you got the time and the inclination.

Yeah, all that Michael Anderson master tape stuff...glad to go there when practical, but on this end, what's done is mostly done. Saturn stuff...might make a difference on records I don't yet have? We'll see. Are you sure that the Evidence CDs are all vinyl rips, though? I'm seeing Alton Abraham's name on them, and it was him who got tapes to impulse!. So Evidence, perhaps not master tapes, but vinyl rips? Just ripped the Secret Code (LOL) version of the LP with that SECRET CODE A-Side. I can't see it working better this way, and can certainly see Ra/Abraham deciding the same after liners went to press, but...who knows. It's all speculation at this point, and not particularly profound speculation at that. But is is fun!

Geez, floorshow/review like a MOFO! Maybe written for a Club DeLisa show for all I know.

Garzone or Bergonzi? Garzone, again hands down, even with full props for each. Garzone has a whole other gear when he wants to, probably comes from internalizing not jsut coltran but Ayler equally. "with strings" or "with voices"?

Both very strong albums, they would/should make an impression on anybody, indeed! The Savoy record...I kinda let it slip through the cracks until recently. My bad, for sure. A very provocative collection of material and performances. But it does make a very nice 3-fer with the two that are now on Delmark as The Tom Wilson-Produced Sun Ra, probably coming soon to a PD EuroMusiPorn outlet near you soon. But if you buy your own, get the latest two Delmarks, they are complete in a way that the long-standing LPs aren't. I was lucky enough to be there when the impulse! LPs got purged into the cutout bins, but I think I got Magic City and Pathways To Unknown Worlds before then. It was definitely the cutout bins that brought the Chicago-era Ra to me, and...it was not necessarily confusing, but it took me a good while to regard them as "formative" instead of knowing that they were very real-time/real-place. Huge difference in perception/understanding/imo. So every so often, I revisit Ra...revisit and add, just to fill it out. Thinking in terms of "linear evolution" works with Ra, but only in the most limited/literal kind of way. I like learning to think more in those terms, honestly, pan-chronologially. Thus the looking at Jazz In Silhouette, I had that on impulse! and never bothered to go for the Evidence CD or anything else until a few weeks ago, when I decided that getting the pile of crap that's on top of my turntable would be more trouble that just getting the damn CD.. But poking around and seeing what the Saturn original LP was, and THEN seeing those liner notes indicating a possible alternative order for Side 1, hey... It's a project now! Let me know how yours comes out. I think I know what happened, "Enlightenment" was kinda "popular" in the then current live shows, so flipping the sides might have made sense to all concerned. But the record ends with a TOTALLY different vibe that way. And that possible alternate order for Side 1...hmmm...

Hell, look at the Wilson brothers (not a duo, but still...).

Side-flipping, that I can do on my own. What really caught my eye was the original liners, where it looked like a different order might have been the plan for Side 1... I will say, though, it's a totally different experience ending the record on "Ancient Aiethopia" than it is on "Blues At Midnight". But that change goes back to the impulse! deal so...who let that one go through? And why didn't Evidence feel compelled to undo it? Alton Abraham was around for both of those, so if it was an error, he could have fixed it. I'm going to have to try that alternate Side 1 order to see what happens...

It has the lots of good pictures too, right? David Weiss promised that it would, right here on this board. I do think there might be a degree of hesitancy because of the previous 3 CD set, that had a "wow" factor then. People are probably wondering, well, if it's all so good, why didn't they do THIS back then? Fair question, and obvious answers. And the whole VINYL!!!! angle was very off-putting, imo. The CD option was not put out there right away, nor was the price point. But hell, it was a great band, on fire for sure. No reason to avoid it, even if the immediate WOW factor has weakened over time and because of circumstances. I wanted to make sure that I got it to have on hand when the time came to get into it. That time is forthcoming, but it is not immediate. Same thing with the Mingus Bremen set, had to have it, got it right away, preordered, but didn't crak it open until last week. GREAT music there, too, but...no sense of urgency to hear it RIGHT NOW for me. just...soon enough. Having said that...if you like the LP iteration and haven't fully immersed in the 3CD set, then there's no reason not to get this right away. This was a band to reckon with, for sure.

You can also safely do that with the early live Columbias as well.

Yeah, one of which is NFTs, and, seriously?

wow...that's sad.

I guess their personal dysfunctions were as intense as their harmonies were otherworldly. Yin-Yang, possibly, devilish dissonance one one sphere creating angelic harmony in the other..Funny how that so often works...angels and demons at play, indeed. RIP, to this one and good lord, what a legacy, those two.

Seriously, what is the deal with Beltone these days?

At some point (the impulse! issue?) the sides were flipped. On LP, no biggie, but this carried over to the Evidence CD, which then does not leave the record experience ending with "Ancient Aiethopia", which I think is a perfect ending to a perfect record. So, any idea who/why the order go flipped? Was Ra involved or was it just an Alton Abraham thing, or did nobody really care? Anybody here tried it both was? If so, any preference? There's also one more thing - Ra's OG liner notes suggest another possible track order: Has anybody tried this, just for grins? I plan on it, sometime.

Brooks & Frank Robinson

Because it's 50 years old now. Because I pretty much already know what it's all going to be, even if that is indeed great. Because it looked like it was going to be another exploitative LP Con Job. Because a lot of music has come into my head in the (how many ever) years it's been since Plugged Nickel was a REAL mindfuck of a livebox set. Because, as much as this type of stuff is tattooed onto me very being, I'm not needing to get the old tattoos freshened up again. I got SO much stuff on tap that is either brand new or still mew-ish, I was really, all, let the kids take care of this business, it will be fun for them and their turntables. Me, been there, done that. More than a few times But - there ended up being a very reasonably priced CD edition. And most morely important, David Weiss promised plenty of nice new pictures. When I finally get around to opening it up, there better had be!