Niko

well, there are still nessa and futura/marge...

found this an interesting cotrast, two versions of bye bye blackbird (no singing) from 1964 and 1985 (the older version does little for me, at least concerning chet) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Bw2w5pCp8

especially with that plant in graillier's background (i like his solo though...)... just makes me smile so much, the idea of a guy looking so worn out, with that pullover, having seen so much in his life stepping to the front and then singing these completely nonsense lyrics

Yes, I've been considering buying the big red Coltrane box too, The Prestige Recordings. True Blue Music still has it, but kind of pricey even considering their recent sale price. Who can recommend the red box over the two smaller boxes, Interplay and Fearless Leader? The latter are remastered whereas the red box hails from the early 1990's. I have the Complete Riverside Thelonious Monk from that period and have no qualms about sound quality. we must have discussed this several times (indeed, here for instance http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...mp;#entry809459 ) in short: interplay contains co-led and all-star sessions, it is highly doubtful whether an initially planned third box that would have contained the sideman appearances will ever appear; that box would have contained recordings led by elmo hope, tadd dameron, mal waldron, gene ammons, ray draper (and probably some more ...))

while i also tend to skip the tracks where he sings (or even worse, scats,), i do find this clip quite powerful as if late in his life baker learned to truly live the creepiness that had always been in his voice... ( )

most detailed account is in javier gonzalez thesis on patton, found on the patton myspace page http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseact...endId=188414859 (you have to scroll down quite a bit or just search for alexander...) this quote of alexander might explain some of his invisibility

honestly, looking at the guy's blog http://www.therealscooponbuyingdiamonds.blogspot.com/ i am glad he just came here to spam - no need for another of these guys here's an offer: being (willing to turn into) the most leftist poster here - i'll give up my ability to post in the political forum (but still would like to read it) if bixie loses his ability to post there, too

here's the list of dedicated compositions from the text (no claim on completeness on my part thus, might have missed some monks, also) Thelonious Monk: Pannonica Sonny Clark: Nica; My Dream of Nica Kenny Dorham: Tonica Kenny Drew: Thelonica Horace Silver: Nica's Dream Gigi Gryce: Nica's Tempo Duke Jordan: Pannonica Freddie Redd: Nica Steps Out Ray Draper: A Waltz for the Baroness Matthew Gee: Here Nica Samir Safwat: Pannonica's Nocturne James Spaulding: Inca Eddie Thompson: Nica; Tune for Nica Barry Harris: Inca; Nicaragua Bliss Bowman: My Nica, the Girl I Love; Nica and I; Nica, Love and Bliss; Nica is the Girl for Me; Nica Drums of Love our own Donald Clarke also has a fine chapter on Nica btw (with almost the same list...) http://www.donaldclarkemusicbox.com/encycl...tail.php?s=3914

I think you're both right. Too bad I just bought two rings, a bunch of fucking cake and a white dress before I realized it. Anyone want to buy a couple of rings and some cake? why don't you wait until the bunch of fucking cake has some offspring... nobody will object to you selling it here...

leonard feathers encyclopedia has some more details at least until the mid seventies. (not all of this is from feather) inactive from 1959-64, band with philly joe jones in 1964 in LA, with Hadley Caliman 1965, with Big Black in 1966/67, then started red beans and rice in 1968 and recorded the album, went to europe (london) in 1969 and played with a group named Sweetwater Canal that also included future Procol Harum bass player Alan Cartwright, played at the famous Actuel festival in Amougies with Don Cherry's Quartet, recorded with Dr John in 1970 and then went back to NY, worked with Jack McDuff (and still with Dr John until 72 and again in 1975); had his own band in NY in the early seventies and stayed there at least until 1975, was with Howard Johnson's Gravity and Horace Tapscott in 1977/78 (west coast again i guess), led a big band at small's in 1978 (?), was with sun ra for about a year around 1980, joined lionel hampton's band in 1981 or 1982 and was shot in NY (on a visit) in late 1982 at age 42... a more productive career than i would have thought...

the text is in german (which is fine with me but...) here you can see a good bunch of the photos from the book... http://www.reclam.de/data/blickinsbuch/978-3-15-010653-2.pdf

i guess so, in this history of kaleidoscope (paul lagos band after leaving draper; four of the rest of the draper band resurface on buddy miles "chapter vii" in 1972 btw) http://www.pulsatingdream.com/kaleidoscope..._part_four.html it says "Jackie Mills, a veteran jazz drummer and R&B producer", so it should be the guy who recorded with dodo marmarosa...

how is it? while i have huge respect for isoardi's work and am really thankful that he does what he does i found myself enjoying the oral histories on the web much more than the two books i've read (the buddy collette and the dark tree), don't know, somehow those books were rather dry, had a tendency to repeat themselves and i was also missing some hard information added to the information from the oral histories (like yesterday when i tried to find out how long tommy trujillo was with tapscott, all the book says he moved in when he was 18 but not when he was born or which year that was or how long he stayed, where he went from there...)... could have said this better, i guess - simply, while i find the subjects real interesting, the books bored me quite a bit (though at least i could finish them...)

shhhhh ... this is the new way we deal with sp* around here... so, who wouldn't love music and cats

thank you so much for your impressions! just astrological signs, no birthdates, i guess... (trujillo's i'd like to know...) (and it's not produced by jackie paris as claimed in the wikipedia article, right... ?) another little bit of information, draper appeared in don cherry's quartet (and also with archie shepp's group (?)) at the legendary byg actuel festival in amougies in october 1969... ______________________________ here is a great site btw with among others numerous photos from amougies by guy le querrec... (just search for "archie shepp" for instance and then go to the older photos where he's not yet wearing that hat... http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive

Yeah, he was resident in London for a while around 1970. There's an interview with him in Jazz Monthly from around that time. Will try and dig it out. that would be great!! JAZZ MONTHLY, 187 SEPTEMBER 1970, UK, RED RODNEY ON RECORD/ LORD BUCKLEY/ RAY DRAPER INTERVIEW (also, the february 1971 downbeat seems to contain something...)

another mention of pure cane ltd and forrest hamilton in this article about the band hamilton streetcar http://www.60sgaragebands.com/hamiltonstreetcar.html

Is that Chico Hamilton? it's chico's son in the 12 March 1970 issue of Jet it says "Tubaist Ray Draper opened PURE CANE Ltd. in London. The company, directed by Forest Hamilton (Chico's son), maganes Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band. The band's Do Your Thing was on JET's Soul Brothers Top 20 for months. Draper will perform in Europe and head production of records and film scores." (the fruits of a day of ray draper research...after some time in prison, draper resurfaced on the west coast in the mid sixties and started a band (as described in the wikipedia article), stayed with tapscott's community (as did guitar player tom trujillo) in May 1968 draper appeared on sonny's dream, red beans and rice appeared at the whisky a go go, probably recorded their album around that time, the album was released in 1969; then (early 1970?) Draper moved to London and was a sideperson in the so-called slave collar incident surrounding British Black Panther leader Michael X in May or so, recorded with Dr John (who says he met him in Amsterdam, strangely) in London in July and was back in New York in December 1970 as the band leader of Jack McDuff's "Who knows what's tommorow gonna bring"; in February 1971 he appeared in Chris Albertson's TV show, there's a village voice article from november 1972 showing that he had apparently kept at least part of that line-up together, but without really getting anywhere... in 1975 he was still in new york appearing on archie shepp's trumpet in my soul (and writing a letter to chris albertson which luckily was not deleted from this board), by the summer of 1977 he was back in LA working with Horace Tapscott... in May 1982 he is mentioned again in Jet (on the occasion of his grandfather's 100th birthday), it says he had just joined lionel hampton's band, in november 1982 he is killed in a robbery)

actually, the first two posts were several years old... michael fitzgerald has a fine discography of ray draper's leader dates http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Leaders/DraperRay-ldr.php i was just confused/made curious by that wikipedia article - the dates are not quite consistent, had hoped that la times article would help carifying this...

just trying to make sense of that infamous ray draper wikipedia article does anybody have access to the following la times article and can tell me what's mentioned about the lineup of draper's band? and the date of the concert/how long the band was in existence at the time... THANKS! http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access...mp;pqatl=google Two Rock Groups at Whisky a GoGo, LA Times, May 11, 1968 btw, here's the wikipedia article as it was before people started to throw away information by editing it.... edit to add: Don Sleet was a west coast musician, of course; the whiskey a gogo gig together with the nazz was in may 1968 and it most likely (according to michael fitzgerald for instance) the album was recorded around the same time (meaning, that the gig probably had a similar lineup to the album (namely it did not feature either of the early lineup with bohannon/caliman or sleet/watts ? and the "two year" waiting period was probably rather something like late 1966 to early 1968?) but who knows, lagos was with kaleidoscope from some time in 1968 on but ernie watts didn't come to LA after leaving buddy rich before 1968 (having his first recording session with blue mitchell in september 1968); anyway the red beans and rice album was released in 1969 (and the 1960 recording date is bs);

on thing which hasn't been mentioned so far is that by now there's a wealth of electronic music drawn from various sources which i believe has drawn quite a number of those under 40 who like their music sophisticated and possibly instrumental... a third stream so to say next to classical and jazz and maybe with a good deal more hipness at this point... (i know way to little about all this to make this point properly and i've heard little that i liked but this is music which sure doesn't deserve to be bunched together with britney spears) while i really don't know why i listen to all this myself ( i sure don't see myself as the keeper of any flame or someone doing what everybody should be doing; if i was an artist i'd be ashamed of my lack of sophistication - one of the reasons i didn't become one... maybe i just like the stories...)... ...for most of the jazz fans of my generation i would say they listen to jazz for the wrong reason... many are lazy (not yet quite fat) people who like to listen to diana krall or some quiet piano music with a glass of wine; others are apparently attracted by odd meters (possibly also complicated harmonies) and mostly admire the technical aspects of say al di meola's or victor bailey's music... haven't met particularly many which don't meet one of those two descriptions... i often wonder how a composer would be regarded who composed symphonies in beethoven's style... looking at what happens in jazz and at how backward-looking classical music is as well i find it odd that these guys don't exist (or do they?)

the remaining shaw double cd deserves bold face imho (especially at that price...)

just have 11 of these... so if i had the money i might be an ideal candidate for the set... but then, since i don' even listen to those 11 with any regularity i guess i won't even consider buying this...

yes king ubu, anywhere else in Europe, perhaps yes but I thought it was printed in the USA, right ? so easier to find by internet. This is not the case ... no, they are/were french... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronological_Classics )

indeed - guess they'll believe they'd overwhelme us with the whole catalogue...