Niko

shhhhh ... this is the new way we deal with sp* around here... so, who wouldn't love music and cats

thank you so much for your impressions! just astrological signs, no birthdates, i guess... (trujillo's i'd like to know...) (and it's not produced by jackie paris as claimed in the wikipedia article, right... ?) another little bit of information, draper appeared in don cherry's quartet (and also with archie shepp's group (?)) at the legendary byg actuel festival in amougies in october 1969... ______________________________ here is a great site btw with among others numerous photos from amougies by guy le querrec... (just search for "archie shepp" for instance and then go to the older photos where he's not yet wearing that hat... http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive

Yeah, he was resident in London for a while around 1970. There's an interview with him in Jazz Monthly from around that time. Will try and dig it out. that would be great!! JAZZ MONTHLY, 187 SEPTEMBER 1970, UK, RED RODNEY ON RECORD/ LORD BUCKLEY/ RAY DRAPER INTERVIEW (also, the february 1971 downbeat seems to contain something...)

another mention of pure cane ltd and forrest hamilton in this article about the band hamilton streetcar http://www.60sgaragebands.com/hamiltonstreetcar.html

Is that Chico Hamilton? it's chico's son in the 12 March 1970 issue of Jet it says "Tubaist Ray Draper opened PURE CANE Ltd. in London. The company, directed by Forest Hamilton (Chico's son), maganes Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band. The band's Do Your Thing was on JET's Soul Brothers Top 20 for months. Draper will perform in Europe and head production of records and film scores." (the fruits of a day of ray draper research...after some time in prison, draper resurfaced on the west coast in the mid sixties and started a band (as described in the wikipedia article), stayed with tapscott's community (as did guitar player tom trujillo) in May 1968 draper appeared on sonny's dream, red beans and rice appeared at the whisky a go go, probably recorded their album around that time, the album was released in 1969; then (early 1970?) Draper moved to London and was a sideperson in the so-called slave collar incident surrounding British Black Panther leader Michael X in May or so, recorded with Dr John (who says he met him in Amsterdam, strangely) in London in July and was back in New York in December 1970 as the band leader of Jack McDuff's "Who knows what's tommorow gonna bring"; in February 1971 he appeared in Chris Albertson's TV show, there's a village voice article from november 1972 showing that he had apparently kept at least part of that line-up together, but without really getting anywhere... in 1975 he was still in new york appearing on archie shepp's trumpet in my soul (and writing a letter to chris albertson which luckily was not deleted from this board), by the summer of 1977 he was back in LA working with Horace Tapscott... in May 1982 he is mentioned again in Jet (on the occasion of his grandfather's 100th birthday), it says he had just joined lionel hampton's band, in november 1982 he is killed in a robbery)

actually, the first two posts were several years old... michael fitzgerald has a fine discography of ray draper's leader dates http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Leaders/DraperRay-ldr.php i was just confused/made curious by that wikipedia article - the dates are not quite consistent, had hoped that la times article would help carifying this...

just trying to make sense of that infamous ray draper wikipedia article does anybody have access to the following la times article and can tell me what's mentioned about the lineup of draper's band? and the date of the concert/how long the band was in existence at the time... THANKS! http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access...mp;pqatl=google Two Rock Groups at Whisky a GoGo, LA Times, May 11, 1968 btw, here's the wikipedia article as it was before people started to throw away information by editing it.... edit to add: Don Sleet was a west coast musician, of course; the whiskey a gogo gig together with the nazz was in may 1968 and it most likely (according to michael fitzgerald for instance) the album was recorded around the same time (meaning, that the gig probably had a similar lineup to the album (namely it did not feature either of the early lineup with bohannon/caliman or sleet/watts ? and the "two year" waiting period was probably rather something like late 1966 to early 1968?) but who knows, lagos was with kaleidoscope from some time in 1968 on but ernie watts didn't come to LA after leaving buddy rich before 1968 (having his first recording session with blue mitchell in september 1968); anyway the red beans and rice album was released in 1969 (and the 1960 recording date is bs);

on thing which hasn't been mentioned so far is that by now there's a wealth of electronic music drawn from various sources which i believe has drawn quite a number of those under 40 who like their music sophisticated and possibly instrumental... a third stream so to say next to classical and jazz and maybe with a good deal more hipness at this point... (i know way to little about all this to make this point properly and i've heard little that i liked but this is music which sure doesn't deserve to be bunched together with britney spears) while i really don't know why i listen to all this myself ( i sure don't see myself as the keeper of any flame or someone doing what everybody should be doing; if i was an artist i'd be ashamed of my lack of sophistication - one of the reasons i didn't become one... maybe i just like the stories...)... ...for most of the jazz fans of my generation i would say they listen to jazz for the wrong reason... many are lazy (not yet quite fat) people who like to listen to diana krall or some quiet piano music with a glass of wine; others are apparently attracted by odd meters (possibly also complicated harmonies) and mostly admire the technical aspects of say al di meola's or victor bailey's music... haven't met particularly many which don't meet one of those two descriptions... i often wonder how a composer would be regarded who composed symphonies in beethoven's style... looking at what happens in jazz and at how backward-looking classical music is as well i find it odd that these guys don't exist (or do they?)

the remaining shaw double cd deserves bold face imho (especially at that price...)

just have 11 of these... so if i had the money i might be an ideal candidate for the set... but then, since i don' even listen to those 11 with any regularity i guess i won't even consider buying this...

yes king ubu, anywhere else in Europe, perhaps yes but I thought it was printed in the USA, right ? so easier to find by internet. This is not the case ... no, they are/were french... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronological_Classics )

indeed - guess they'll believe they'd overwhelme us with the whole catalogue...

actually, i think about that almost every day just wanted to point out that their policy of putting stuff online looks a bit erratic to me... which let's the future where nothing is available on cd but some of the back catalogue is online look less bright to me than it would otherwise...

after a brief web search i seriously doubt that those five albums actually came out (yet?) if you look through this thread (which is admittedly very long) you'll find that there's a mostly uncertainty over the present and future of this series...

don't know if this is what you mean - some HLP vocal tracks are included... http://www.mosaicrecords.com/discography.a...;copies=7%20CDs

might know what you mean - baker pales surprisingly much when you bunch him together with all the other fifties trumpeters, somehow he is very much a man of his own terms... (like, can it really be true that he couldn't read chord symbols and just relied on listening) when i haven't played his music in a while my wish to do so always gets less and less

very stupid question... going from what's available on sites like spotify or deezer / which i would roughly guess is similar to what's available for download (?) is there any reasonable explanation why earl anderza's album is there but curtis amy's katanga isn't? i mean, they're both oop and both from the same batch of releases...?

been wondering about that many times... how many lps did baker record that were for somewhat strange labels (ran possibly by somewhat nicer guys)? how many times did baker fail to fulfill his side of a contract or fulfill it in a way that didn't quite satisfy the other side? several thousand times? and these carpenter/prestige albums at least have good bands, good material (brought together by carpenter, not in the right way maybe, but it was there and animated chet to do something slightly different for once) and good recording quality? something about that experience must have been real bad? or maybe it was just that carpenter made baker feel like a loser.... i mean - how can he call these albums the biggest mistake of his career (like he did iirc) when he recorded, say, more than a hundred worse albums and so many albums for which he just got an upfront fee of 1000$ and nothing more...

hope a leftwing star doesn't bother you... (i actually lost one star after posting that rohrschach picture here a few weeks ago i believe...)

!! Happy Birthday !!

i played a lot of late period baker in the last few days... since this is the "being nice" week at the org let's say late period baker is not better but different (though what i would say is that while in the fifties baker was good but miles davis was much better, in the sixties and most of the seventies baker was not quite as good and miles was much better the years from 1978 onwards so clearly go to baker it's ridicuolous) i can somehow enjoy the quartet with mulligan but it doesn't do that much for me, i like some of the riversides and the albums with george coleman though mostly for the sidemen, what i do like of the earlier (60s) stuff are his collaborations with rene thomas... but some of the late period albums i really wouldn't want to miss, especially the trios... they are so direct and open-minded (one story from de valks great baker bio is by philip catherine how he was somewhat hesitant to bring his electronic effects to the gig with an old guy like baker at first, then just did it and baker only smiled and said something like "oh my gosh, so much stuff" and that was it) (i also appreciate that these albums don't involve much singing...) not all of the 100+ albums baker made after 1976 or so were briliiant (or even decent) but the best ones are... some i have enjoyed over the last few days are candy (on sonet, trio with michel graillier and jean louis rassinfosse) rassinfosse/baker/catherine (igloo, guess i was lucky to find that one) strollin' (enja, same band as the last, almost as good and easier to find) broken wing (jazz in paris, quartet with phil markowitz) at capolinea (red records, a sextet) edit to add: the 100+ i also got from de valk, it's "appearances on record including bootlegs" but the number of albums is still astonishing... another edit: the number of albums (including bootlegs - but that line is hard to draw with an artist like baker who would record for anyone if he got a one time fee of 1000$ or so, and co-led things) after 1974 is actually 110+

don't know if this is what you're asking, the quote is from carole's next article... http://www.examiner.com/x-15042-NY-Jazz-Mu...jazz-is-burning

indeed! and the infamous list contained ravi coltrane and carlos garnett as well (none of my favorites but still easily this side of the fence...)

here's a list http://www.jazzdisco.org/prestige-records/...es/album-index/ didn't get until now (when i read "PRLP 16-6 Pepper Adams/Cecil Payne/Julius Watkins/Dave Amram - Modern Jazz Survey - Baritones And French Horns") that what held the two sides of PRLP 16-6 together thematically was that an "unusual" instrument appears twice... didn't know that both sides were originally co-led (i mean, the second half is still co-led but by curtis fuller and hampton hawes... looks almost like intentional confusion)

late chet baker and somewhat parallel once more artists from belgium, the strangest country in the world... (nathalie loriers, michel graillier (only belgian by marriage), steve houben, the pelzers and i have a long list of names - most of these guys don't do much for me but some do...) (check out this guy's http://www.youtube.com/user/Spatzoupload two rene thomas videos on youtube, a long one with louiss/humair and a short one with bennett/clarke (if i identified all correctly...)!)