Niko

pelzer had a lenghty recording career without baker as well (eg he recorded with rene thomas many times between 1952 and 1974, i like his playing on the thomas jazz in paris cd "meeting mr thomas"), but i would agree that he was a bit inconsistent... his gigi gryce tribute album "salute to the band box" with philip catherine is nice.... and, of course, since his day job was owning a pharmacy baker probably would have allowed him to enter the stage from time to time even if he hadn't had any talent (same for pelzer's daughter micheline and her husband michel graillier... but then micheline also recorded with wayne shorter, graillier with steve lacy, all three with barney wilen - a pharmacy in the Belgian countryside doesn't explain all this) two samples from pelzer's own albums, not trying to prove he was the greatest of them all, just trying to prove that he was much more than a guy with a pharmacy (minority, but not from the gryce tribute album; iirc this was recorded when pelzer was on an italian tour with baker but baker went to prison for over a year after just a few days so pelzer was stranded in italy, but i might misremember this, this album was recently reissued by rearward) (the pelzer families' 1974 fusion band open sky unit... i am really no expert on this but i haven't heard a more soul based fusion band from europe..., steve houben, another family member who would work with baker later on is the second alto player, cd reissue from whatmusic)

!happy birthday!

and azar lawrence right between badly drawn boy and lionel ritchie...

but charges like 2$ additional shipping on each cd (plus a higher ground price, or something) no matter how many you take...

also have that feeling, that deezer have cut back what's available from universal (or the other way round) now playing Zoot Sims with Jimmy Raney and Jim Hall - Two Jims & Zoot (deezer) [why didn't they call it "two jims and a sims"...] edit to add: ignorant as i am i wasn't aware this is something of a rarity... highly recommended, rest of the quintet are steve swallow and osie johnson, originally on mainstream (?) which somehow poses the question which other mainstream titles are online... to answer my question partially: buddy terry - awareness nightblooming jazzmen harold land - damisi charles mcpherson - siku ya bibi clark terry and bobby brookmeyer quintet curtis fuller crankin six blue mitchell albums... frank foster - loud minority nice!

well, there are still nessa and futura/marge...

found this an interesting cotrast, two versions of bye bye blackbird (no singing) from 1964 and 1985 (the older version does little for me, at least concerning chet) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Bw2w5pCp8

especially with that plant in graillier's background (i like his solo though...)... just makes me smile so much, the idea of a guy looking so worn out, with that pullover, having seen so much in his life stepping to the front and then singing these completely nonsense lyrics

Yes, I've been considering buying the big red Coltrane box too, The Prestige Recordings. True Blue Music still has it, but kind of pricey even considering their recent sale price. Who can recommend the red box over the two smaller boxes, Interplay and Fearless Leader? The latter are remastered whereas the red box hails from the early 1990's. I have the Complete Riverside Thelonious Monk from that period and have no qualms about sound quality. we must have discussed this several times (indeed, here for instance http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...mp;#entry809459 ) in short: interplay contains co-led and all-star sessions, it is highly doubtful whether an initially planned third box that would have contained the sideman appearances will ever appear; that box would have contained recordings led by elmo hope, tadd dameron, mal waldron, gene ammons, ray draper (and probably some more ...))

while i also tend to skip the tracks where he sings (or even worse, scats,), i do find this clip quite powerful as if late in his life baker learned to truly live the creepiness that had always been in his voice... ( )

most detailed account is in javier gonzalez thesis on patton, found on the patton myspace page http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseact...endId=188414859 (you have to scroll down quite a bit or just search for alexander...) this quote of alexander might explain some of his invisibility

honestly, looking at the guy's blog http://www.therealscooponbuyingdiamonds.blogspot.com/ i am glad he just came here to spam - no need for another of these guys here's an offer: being (willing to turn into) the most leftist poster here - i'll give up my ability to post in the political forum (but still would like to read it) if bixie loses his ability to post there, too

here's the list of dedicated compositions from the text (no claim on completeness on my part thus, might have missed some monks, also) Thelonious Monk: Pannonica Sonny Clark: Nica; My Dream of Nica Kenny Dorham: Tonica Kenny Drew: Thelonica Horace Silver: Nica's Dream Gigi Gryce: Nica's Tempo Duke Jordan: Pannonica Freddie Redd: Nica Steps Out Ray Draper: A Waltz for the Baroness Matthew Gee: Here Nica Samir Safwat: Pannonica's Nocturne James Spaulding: Inca Eddie Thompson: Nica; Tune for Nica Barry Harris: Inca; Nicaragua Bliss Bowman: My Nica, the Girl I Love; Nica and I; Nica, Love and Bliss; Nica is the Girl for Me; Nica Drums of Love our own Donald Clarke also has a fine chapter on Nica btw (with almost the same list...) http://www.donaldclarkemusicbox.com/encycl...tail.php?s=3914

I think you're both right. Too bad I just bought two rings, a bunch of fucking cake and a white dress before I realized it. Anyone want to buy a couple of rings and some cake? why don't you wait until the bunch of fucking cake has some offspring... nobody will object to you selling it here...

leonard feathers encyclopedia has some more details at least until the mid seventies. (not all of this is from feather) inactive from 1959-64, band with philly joe jones in 1964 in LA, with Hadley Caliman 1965, with Big Black in 1966/67, then started red beans and rice in 1968 and recorded the album, went to europe (london) in 1969 and played with a group named Sweetwater Canal that also included future Procol Harum bass player Alan Cartwright, played at the famous Actuel festival in Amougies with Don Cherry's Quartet, recorded with Dr John in 1970 and then went back to NY, worked with Jack McDuff (and still with Dr John until 72 and again in 1975); had his own band in NY in the early seventies and stayed there at least until 1975, was with Howard Johnson's Gravity and Horace Tapscott in 1977/78 (west coast again i guess), led a big band at small's in 1978 (?), was with sun ra for about a year around 1980, joined lionel hampton's band in 1981 or 1982 and was shot in NY (on a visit) in late 1982 at age 42... a more productive career than i would have thought...

the text is in german (which is fine with me but...) here you can see a good bunch of the photos from the book... http://www.reclam.de/data/blickinsbuch/978-3-15-010653-2.pdf

i guess so, in this history of kaleidoscope (paul lagos band after leaving draper; four of the rest of the draper band resurface on buddy miles "chapter vii" in 1972 btw) http://www.pulsatingdream.com/kaleidoscope..._part_four.html it says "Jackie Mills, a veteran jazz drummer and R&B producer", so it should be the guy who recorded with dodo marmarosa...

how is it? while i have huge respect for isoardi's work and am really thankful that he does what he does i found myself enjoying the oral histories on the web much more than the two books i've read (the buddy collette and the dark tree), don't know, somehow those books were rather dry, had a tendency to repeat themselves and i was also missing some hard information added to the information from the oral histories (like yesterday when i tried to find out how long tommy trujillo was with tapscott, all the book says he moved in when he was 18 but not when he was born or which year that was or how long he stayed, where he went from there...)... could have said this better, i guess - simply, while i find the subjects real interesting, the books bored me quite a bit (though at least i could finish them...)

shhhhh ... this is the new way we deal with sp* around here... so, who wouldn't love music and cats

thank you so much for your impressions! just astrological signs, no birthdates, i guess... (trujillo's i'd like to know...) (and it's not produced by jackie paris as claimed in the wikipedia article, right... ?) another little bit of information, draper appeared in don cherry's quartet (and also with archie shepp's group (?)) at the legendary byg actuel festival in amougies in october 1969... ______________________________ here is a great site btw with among others numerous photos from amougies by guy le querrec... (just search for "archie shepp" for instance and then go to the older photos where he's not yet wearing that hat... http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive

Yeah, he was resident in London for a while around 1970. There's an interview with him in Jazz Monthly from around that time. Will try and dig it out. that would be great!! JAZZ MONTHLY, 187 SEPTEMBER 1970, UK, RED RODNEY ON RECORD/ LORD BUCKLEY/ RAY DRAPER INTERVIEW (also, the february 1971 downbeat seems to contain something...)

another mention of pure cane ltd and forrest hamilton in this article about the band hamilton streetcar http://www.60sgaragebands.com/hamiltonstreetcar.html

Is that Chico Hamilton? it's chico's son in the 12 March 1970 issue of Jet it says "Tubaist Ray Draper opened PURE CANE Ltd. in London. The company, directed by Forest Hamilton (Chico's son), maganes Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band. The band's Do Your Thing was on JET's Soul Brothers Top 20 for months. Draper will perform in Europe and head production of records and film scores." (the fruits of a day of ray draper research...after some time in prison, draper resurfaced on the west coast in the mid sixties and started a band (as described in the wikipedia article), stayed with tapscott's community (as did guitar player tom trujillo) in May 1968 draper appeared on sonny's dream, red beans and rice appeared at the whisky a go go, probably recorded their album around that time, the album was released in 1969; then (early 1970?) Draper moved to London and was a sideperson in the so-called slave collar incident surrounding British Black Panther leader Michael X in May or so, recorded with Dr John (who says he met him in Amsterdam, strangely) in London in July and was back in New York in December 1970 as the band leader of Jack McDuff's "Who knows what's tommorow gonna bring"; in February 1971 he appeared in Chris Albertson's TV show, there's a village voice article from november 1972 showing that he had apparently kept at least part of that line-up together, but without really getting anywhere... in 1975 he was still in new york appearing on archie shepp's trumpet in my soul (and writing a letter to chris albertson which luckily was not deleted from this board), by the summer of 1977 he was back in LA working with Horace Tapscott... in May 1982 he is mentioned again in Jet (on the occasion of his grandfather's 100th birthday), it says he had just joined lionel hampton's band, in november 1982 he is killed in a robbery)

actually, the first two posts were several years old... michael fitzgerald has a fine discography of ray draper's leader dates http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Leaders/DraperRay-ldr.php i was just confused/made curious by that wikipedia article - the dates are not quite consistent, had hoped that la times article would help carifying this...

just trying to make sense of that infamous ray draper wikipedia article does anybody have access to the following la times article and can tell me what's mentioned about the lineup of draper's band? and the date of the concert/how long the band was in existence at the time... THANKS! http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access...mp;pqatl=google Two Rock Groups at Whisky a GoGo, LA Times, May 11, 1968 btw, here's the wikipedia article as it was before people started to throw away information by editing it.... edit to add: Don Sleet was a west coast musician, of course; the whiskey a gogo gig together with the nazz was in may 1968 and it most likely (according to michael fitzgerald for instance) the album was recorded around the same time (meaning, that the gig probably had a similar lineup to the album (namely it did not feature either of the early lineup with bohannon/caliman or sleet/watts ? and the "two year" waiting period was probably rather something like late 1966 to early 1968?) but who knows, lagos was with kaleidoscope from some time in 1968 on but ernie watts didn't come to LA after leaving buddy rich before 1968 (having his first recording session with blue mitchell in september 1968); anyway the red beans and rice album was released in 1969 (and the 1960 recording date is bs);