Niko

on thing which hasn't been mentioned so far is that by now there's a wealth of electronic music drawn from various sources which i believe has drawn quite a number of those under 40 who like their music sophisticated and possibly instrumental... a third stream so to say next to classical and jazz and maybe with a good deal more hipness at this point... (i know way to little about all this to make this point properly and i've heard little that i liked but this is music which sure doesn't deserve to be bunched together with britney spears) while i really don't know why i listen to all this myself ( i sure don't see myself as the keeper of any flame or someone doing what everybody should be doing; if i was an artist i'd be ashamed of my lack of sophistication - one of the reasons i didn't become one... maybe i just like the stories...)... ...for most of the jazz fans of my generation i would say they listen to jazz for the wrong reason... many are lazy (not yet quite fat) people who like to listen to diana krall or some quiet piano music with a glass of wine; others are apparently attracted by odd meters (possibly also complicated harmonies) and mostly admire the technical aspects of say al di meola's or victor bailey's music... haven't met particularly many which don't meet one of those two descriptions... i often wonder how a composer would be regarded who composed symphonies in beethoven's style... looking at what happens in jazz and at how backward-looking classical music is as well i find it odd that these guys don't exist (or do they?)

the remaining shaw double cd deserves bold face imho (especially at that price...)

just have 11 of these... so if i had the money i might be an ideal candidate for the set... but then, since i don' even listen to those 11 with any regularity i guess i won't even consider buying this...

yes king ubu, anywhere else in Europe, perhaps yes but I thought it was printed in the USA, right ? so easier to find by internet. This is not the case ... no, they are/were french... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronological_Classics )

indeed - guess they'll believe they'd overwhelme us with the whole catalogue...

actually, i think about that almost every day just wanted to point out that their policy of putting stuff online looks a bit erratic to me... which let's the future where nothing is available on cd but some of the back catalogue is online look less bright to me than it would otherwise...

after a brief web search i seriously doubt that those five albums actually came out (yet?) if you look through this thread (which is admittedly very long) you'll find that there's a mostly uncertainty over the present and future of this series...

don't know if this is what you mean - some HLP vocal tracks are included... http://www.mosaicrecords.com/discography.a...;copies=7%20CDs

might know what you mean - baker pales surprisingly much when you bunch him together with all the other fifties trumpeters, somehow he is very much a man of his own terms... (like, can it really be true that he couldn't read chord symbols and just relied on listening) when i haven't played his music in a while my wish to do so always gets less and less

very stupid question... going from what's available on sites like spotify or deezer / which i would roughly guess is similar to what's available for download (?) is there any reasonable explanation why earl anderza's album is there but curtis amy's katanga isn't? i mean, they're both oop and both from the same batch of releases...?

been wondering about that many times... how many lps did baker record that were for somewhat strange labels (ran possibly by somewhat nicer guys)? how many times did baker fail to fulfill his side of a contract or fulfill it in a way that didn't quite satisfy the other side? several thousand times? and these carpenter/prestige albums at least have good bands, good material (brought together by carpenter, not in the right way maybe, but it was there and animated chet to do something slightly different for once) and good recording quality? something about that experience must have been real bad? or maybe it was just that carpenter made baker feel like a loser.... i mean - how can he call these albums the biggest mistake of his career (like he did iirc) when he recorded, say, more than a hundred worse albums and so many albums for which he just got an upfront fee of 1000$ and nothing more...

hope a leftwing star doesn't bother you... (i actually lost one star after posting that rohrschach picture here a few weeks ago i believe...)

!! Happy Birthday !!

i played a lot of late period baker in the last few days... since this is the "being nice" week at the org let's say late period baker is not better but different (though what i would say is that while in the fifties baker was good but miles davis was much better, in the sixties and most of the seventies baker was not quite as good and miles was much better the years from 1978 onwards so clearly go to baker it's ridicuolous) i can somehow enjoy the quartet with mulligan but it doesn't do that much for me, i like some of the riversides and the albums with george coleman though mostly for the sidemen, what i do like of the earlier (60s) stuff are his collaborations with rene thomas... but some of the late period albums i really wouldn't want to miss, especially the trios... they are so direct and open-minded (one story from de valks great baker bio is by philip catherine how he was somewhat hesitant to bring his electronic effects to the gig with an old guy like baker at first, then just did it and baker only smiled and said something like "oh my gosh, so much stuff" and that was it) (i also appreciate that these albums don't involve much singing...) not all of the 100+ albums baker made after 1976 or so were briliiant (or even decent) but the best ones are... some i have enjoyed over the last few days are candy (on sonet, trio with michel graillier and jean louis rassinfosse) rassinfosse/baker/catherine (igloo, guess i was lucky to find that one) strollin' (enja, same band as the last, almost as good and easier to find) broken wing (jazz in paris, quartet with phil markowitz) at capolinea (red records, a sextet) edit to add: the 100+ i also got from de valk, it's "appearances on record including bootlegs" but the number of albums is still astonishing... another edit: the number of albums (including bootlegs - but that line is hard to draw with an artist like baker who would record for anyone if he got a one time fee of 1000$ or so, and co-led things) after 1974 is actually 110+

don't know if this is what you're asking, the quote is from carole's next article... http://www.examiner.com/x-15042-NY-Jazz-Mu...jazz-is-burning

indeed! and the infamous list contained ravi coltrane and carlos garnett as well (none of my favorites but still easily this side of the fence...)

here's a list http://www.jazzdisco.org/prestige-records/...es/album-index/ didn't get until now (when i read "PRLP 16-6 Pepper Adams/Cecil Payne/Julius Watkins/Dave Amram - Modern Jazz Survey - Baritones And French Horns") that what held the two sides of PRLP 16-6 together thematically was that an "unusual" instrument appears twice... didn't know that both sides were originally co-led (i mean, the second half is still co-led but by curtis fuller and hampton hawes... looks almost like intentional confusion)

late chet baker and somewhat parallel once more artists from belgium, the strangest country in the world... (nathalie loriers, michel graillier (only belgian by marriage), steve houben, the pelzers and i have a long list of names - most of these guys don't do much for me but some do...) (check out this guy's http://www.youtube.com/user/Spatzoupload two rene thomas videos on youtube, a long one with louiss/humair and a short one with bennett/clarke (if i identified all correctly...)!)

Au contraire i was talking about "many here"... had actually considered mentioning that some people (marsalis people) indeed draw the line there (which doesn't make charlie christian's guitar electronic but still...); but i guess nowadays it's safe to say that these people are in a minority (? never been to new york...) not only here ; and i guess it's only the most stubborn jazz fans who see bitches brew or the work of pat metheny in the same boat with dave koz's christmas album (which i just sampled to see what i was talking about)

welcome! i only have a vague imagination of what being the jazz person at a newspaper is like, but i wish you all the best with it and i don't see what's wrong with trying to cover a broad variety of music/the music people like to read about... i doubt that many here feel that your statement below represents their feelings about smooth jazz... doubt that anybody here sees, say miles davis' bitches brew on the wrong side of the fence... (and electric guitars have been treasured in the jazz world for much longer)... [ensuring that some of the flames hit me] for me pat metheny is right at the border, i do hear the differences to kenny g and obviously he does improvise but the... quirkiness i like about my jazz is missing...

happy birthday and a quick recovery!

found it for 2 euro on a flea market within a bunch of crap last year... the cd is great, notably for solal's contribution (iirc it's something like 4 pieces with the full band, three in a quartet without horns and then some more with griffin added...) the cd does however not contain everything from these sessions that's available "online"... there's also this dvd http://www.amazon.com/Live-Hamburg-1965-We...4371&sr=8-1

hmm looks indeed as if for the first time we have a decline in the biggest medium which is not backed up by a simlarly sized increase elsewhere... looks as if their service isn't needed anymore...

Nathalie Loriers Quartet - Dance or Die (deezer) not bad though not quite as good as the cover...

(very good) previous thread http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18281